Skeettx, I have shot a few of those Lyalvale shells and they do not cheat you on powder. A couple of friends had them and were sneaking them into the dove field. You could get three up the spout on a 1100 to give you four shells in the gun. If the game warden checked you they just gave him full size shells which only two would fit. Funny thing is that they would work a 1100 but kicked like a mule and having four shells in a gun was no advantage for they still missed most of the time. I tried a couple on the skeet field and decided that they could keep their secret.
