My No. 4E Skeet Gun balances about 1 1/4 inch in front of the hinge pin. Plenty of forward momentum to keep my swing going. Still, in my opinion, Ithaca's S & S chokes are way too tight for skeet distances, as are the WS-2 barrels of Winchester Model 21 Skeet Guns. In my younger years I ran enough 100 straights in NSSA competition with whacked barrel, Simmons Ribbed, Model 12s in 12- and 20-gauge to be firmly convinced you "don't need no stinkin' choke" for skeet.