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5E, the barrels weigh 3# 2 oz sans forearm. The balance point is about 1/2" forward of an average game gun. Average person can feel about 1/4" shift in balance point.

DDA

My NID with it's 28" barrels and 14.25 LOP balances very close to 3.5" from the standing breach. Because of left shoulder damage I do not extend my left hand as far forward as is proper so the heel of my hand is at or near the back of the forearm. For some comparison, my L.C. Smith feel heavier in the barrels. It is 28" too.

Liverwort;
Do note that Rocket man does not give the balance point from the standing breech. He gives it from the front trigger or the trigger I believe in the case of a single trigger. This is more relevant to the right hand position as guns of different action types do not have the same spacing between the breech & trigger.

There is no "proper" place to reference balance. Balance is useful for determining the % of the guns weight carried by each hand. Some shooters are quite sensitive to this division of weight and others are not.

Trigger (front) is the most convenient point to reference as it places the back/trigger hand. If distance from front hand to balance is measured, the weight distribution to the hands is the inverse of the center of the hand to balance point ratio.

Example: assume trigger hand center to trigger is 3 1/2", balance point to trigger is 4 1/2", and front hand center to balance point is 10". The total distance between hand centers is 18". 8"/18" = .4444 = 44.4% and 10"/18" = .5555 = 55.6%. Remembering the inverse relationship (the hand nearer the balance point carries a higher % of the weight), the trigger hand carries 55.6% of the weight and the front hand carries 44.4%.

You can reference any other point in the universe for balance and arrive at the same numbers, just a more complicated calculation. Breech face and hinge pin are the most often used. They came into use as the value of balance was not understood and some reference point was necessary to discuss balance in any form or fashion.

DDA

There is no "proper" hand placement per se. There is only what is comfortable, works, "natural," or looks best for you as an individual shooter. Good for you may not work at all for some other shooter.

DDA

FWIW, I used my daughters digital food scale. Very accurate and every cheap to purchase.

Balance as measured from the trigger. In my book it's the way to do it and heaps better than the silly notion that a gun should balance on the hinge pin.

Rocket - them's nice light barrels.

Headache material. I wonder, did George Digweed go through all this stuff on his way to World sporting clays and world fitasc championships? Roket man it soundss like you got all this figured out. what class do you shoot in?

He probably did, don't know. But it is a useful calculation for those of us who do not shoot tens of thousands of rounds each month.

I wonder, did George Digweed go through all this stuff on his way to World sporting clays and world fitasc championships? I don't know what tools he may have availed himself of. When you have his talent and get to practice as much you probably don't need the tools I use.



Roket man it soundss like you got all this figured out. I have developed some tools to help understand gun handling. They will not transform you into a top shot any more than coaching or fitted guns will; that transformation requires native talent and thousands of hours of practice. However, they will jump start learning what guns will help you shoot your best or have the most fun.


what class do you shoot in? I no longer worry which class I shoot in. I concentrate on how much I enjoy shooting. For me, learning about guns and shooting is a very rewarding experience. I offer what I have learned on this forum in hopes it will be of some value to others.

DDA