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Yeah, it should realize a base value of $450 U.S. of A. plus or minus whatever someone will attach/fork over for the Nazi chicken scratching.

Has the fella/owner in Germany any history on the lot?


Cheers,

Raimey
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Good one, Raimey- as old Heinrich was a chicken farmer before he joined Adolph and his henchmen--both he and Goering escaped the hangman's noose, via cyanide capsules. The British were sharp enough to spot the weak chin and the thick glasses, as he tried to pass himself off as a Wehrmacht Pvt.. Every once in a while, RIA auctions will list Nazi "party leaders" items- pistols, presentation grade drillings, etc. Hard to authenticate, IMO.

Here is one that was auctioned off at RIA-simmilar but with a better story:

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/engine/inspect.asp?Item=4656&Filter=Gallery

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/64/3321

"Dem erfolgreichen Sch�tzen"
"To the successfull sniper." That means this shotgun was a gift from Heinrich Himmler, leader of the SS, to a soldier.
These guns are very often shown in auctions, all are fakes with a lot of faked marks, e.g. LW5 on the rear barrel hook lock, the air force mark on the stock, proof mark of Suhl etc. Only the marks of proof house St. Etienne, France are genuine.
Ger

RIA doesn't know Nazi history=Himmler was head of the SS (proletarian guard) literal translation, including the Waffen SS, which were Army units, and Der Totenkopf- "Death's Head" units which were mainly involved in the strum und drang of the Holocaust in Europe. Goering was one of the first SS members, along with Hess and Himmler, and he developed the Gestapo (secret police unit) of the SS- I am sure Himmler had his grubby fist in Gestapo affairs as well, but he was NOT the head of that evil sector of Hitler's paranoia.

True, the 101st. (506 PIR) units did capture Hitler's mountain retreat in Bavaria in 1945, and found a great deal of items and artifacts- but fresh plaster on the wall and a Heinrich Himmler POS Belgian double as his presentation gun- Why would Himmler stash it in Hitler's house- by then, he and Goering were both trying to sell out to the Allies, and escape Hitler's last days mandate to "destroy Germany"--

And if RIA got $25,000 for this "fraud"-something is rotten in Rock Island IL with that-very strange indeed..

>>>Can you post an image of the marks to the right of Rectifie C.A. & 17,1mm & 17,0mm? That might point to a maker.<<<

Raimey,
to the right of 17,1 and 17,0 are the proof marks of St. Etienne and the name, written in letters. Together with PT under crown on the left are the only genuine marks on this faked shotgun and it's not only this.
Ger

The whole idea of makes zero sense to me. I mean why have military decorations like Iron Cross of different classes, Iron Cross in Gold, Oak Leaves, Swords and giving out French or Belgian clunkers to good soldiers. I'm not buying into this.

" Camouflage uniforms were standard and new sophisticated weapons and equipment was available in huge numbers although there was some trouble with meeting the demands of sniper rifles. Heinrich Himmler, himself very interested in sharpshooting, had early set up sniper programs for the Waffen SS. During the latter part of 1944 the numbers of snipers were also to increase within the grenadier- and volksgrenadier companies."

http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations/...n-normandy-1944

Another more common gun-Sniper Award
Sauer 38H

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUkM1cmSurU
The Sauer 38H's go for a good bit more perhaps the known provenance of others given.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/68/1400

The $80,500 for that pistol is truly shocking when one realizes that Winston Churchills personal Webley pistol at English auction brought in <�6000. I forget if it was 7,65 or 9mm Court.

That's why USA is the best place to sell

Cheers,
Jani