Agree your opinion of 20 and water fowling, Stan. I had a bad morning 30 years ago on ducks and didn't take my 20 to the blind for 10 years. I wouldn't think twice now about taking it (SKB o/u 3-inch), including on geese, because I wait until they bow their wings and their feet come out. The 20 is a waterfowling specialist's gun as the .410 in all categories.