king et al: it has been my experience, as a reformed and retired bird hunter, that a 16 gauge gun is a better killer than a 20...12 ga always seemed like it was over kill for grouse and pen raised pheasants...most of my favorite hunting guns were of the light field grade variety, either by ithaca or fox...to sum it up, there used to be some thng sweet about a 16 gauge gun afield in the northern uplands in the fall...combined with good dogs and good company, the experience is one of life's joys...

Last edited by ed good; 01/08/17 01:20 PM.
keep it simple and keep it safe...