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Ok Raimey,
Joe's 254 lock and my 441 lock look to be the same. Clearly different than the Scott lock, as well as having the triple digit serial sequencing, rather than the higher Scott number sequence.
Any idea on sourcing? If both were later guns than the Scott guns, was Lindner sourcing locally by that time? Or, could they be Birmingham sourced as well?
I'm just trying to insure you have plenty of material for your book.
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http://www.gunnermanbooks.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=1103I think we're getting somewhere, as far as who was actually in control of production of the guns in relation to serial numbers. Ken Georgi was a great source, I wonder what happened to his index of Daly guns?
I'll throw out a hypothesis and see if it sticks. The OP's gun's serial number was in the two thousand range and carries the crossed pistols and crown marks, this mark being associated with Heinrich, so, it's production would have been after Georg retired in the late 1870's or so. My two guns have <1000 serial numbers and lack the pistols/crown, so could indicate production controled by Georg, putting production in the 1870's. Possibly pre-1877, when Heinrich married and Georg may have retired. Make sense? It also appears that OPs gun is acutally a HAL gun, produced before the use of the HAL mark.
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Yeah, if you own a Daly you need the Daly text. Georgi still has the info & he must be on holiday.
Cheers,
Raimey
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Ken61:
Do you mean Mr. Hallquist's Frank Kuhn locks or Joe Wood's. Yeah, I need a little more info to mount a text effort. I have mislaid some info on Daly's import man who was either in Antwerp or Bremen. At some point I stumbled across and article describing the sourcing agent but it has escaped me for a time. I guess I need to closely re-read the Daly Colour thread & see if it comes to me.
Cheers,
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Ken61:
Do you mean Mr. Hallquist's Frank Kuhn locks or Joe Wood's. Yeah, I need a little more info to mount a text effort. I have mislaid some info on Daly's import man who was either in Antwerp or Bremen. At some point I stumbled across and article describing the sourcing agent but it has escaped me for a time. I guess I need to closely re-read the Daly Colour thread & see if it comes to me.
Cheers,
Raimey
rse If I'm reading the captions right, it's the lock titled "Joe's lock above" that appears to be the same as 441, with the keystone shaped spring stop. As far as comprehensive information, it would be nice to know the history of lock sourcing and the relationship to serial numbers, appproximate year of manufacture, and which Lindner was in charge of manufacture at the time. Just in this thread we have the Scott locks, the later locks like 441 and Joe's lock, and the even later design of the lock on the OP's gun. I think the Scott lock guns can be attributed to Georg, and the Op's gun to Heinrich, but what about the low serial numbers like 441 and Joe's gun, lacking the Crossed Pistols and Crown mark. It would also be nice to know when the transition to mainly 12ga guns happened, almost certainly under Heinrich. It also looks like the production of the SBT guns may have occurrred under Ernst. Reading back on the list, Daly 1569 lacks Lindner marks, but Golcher 1662 has them. The real question is does this indicate Heinrich taking control? And if so did it occur around the time of his contract with Daly and his marriage? Or did it occur earlier? Those two events at about the same time would be a suitable time for Georg to retire, as Heinrich would have a secure future because of them. Regards Ken
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About 4 to 5K for a total restore. Not into it for that...
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Absurdly high price. Did he give you a breakdown, or just throw that figure at you?
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Kind of a breakdown, but ballpark was the figure after viewing the pictures,,,wow..Didn't even think close to that price.
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It's absurd. Barrel recoloring, wood refinishing, and action coloring for a full restoration is no where near that high. Depending on who you take it to. I suggest you get the hammer repaired and the tubes inspected. Then be concerned with Restoration.
Ken
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Daly 441 Locks.   What are the characters near & under the keystone spring stop? Mr. Hallquist's Charles E. Overbaugh & Company NY but I can't see the serial number:  Joe Wood's latest acquisition with serial number 15251:  Trying to get back on track w/ the locks. Cheers, Raimey rse
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