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Daly 441 Locks.   Regards Ken
Last edited by Ken61; 12/28/16 10:29 AM.
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Joe Wood's W&C Scott and Charles Daly:   Joe's Lock above  Cheers, Raimey rse
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Thanks.
Let's see if I'm reading this right. 441's locks are clearly different than the Scott locks. Does this confirm it is indeed a later gun, produced with locks sourced by Lindner locally? If so, does this enable us to tell when that happened, the transition time from Scott to locally sourced locks? Any lower serial numbers on guns with non-Scott locks? Does Joe's lock 254 indicate this?
Would it have been serial #1 once they stopped using Scott locks?
Op's gun appears to have a different pin patten than either. Possibly sourced from Heinrich's wife's family by that time? Or had Schilling changed their production? Was lock design different if action forgings changed?
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It is good to see another Prussian Daly thread come up. Since the experts are assembled, I was hoping for a grade number on the only example I own. I know it is one of the least expensive grades, being an unadorned 12ga featherweight extractor model. I bought it partially restored with a Mark Larson butt transplant and cleaned up bores.  The action flats show what I think is a serial number (834 or possibly 334) and a light Prussia stamp:  The barrel flats show the HAL and crossed pistols trademark:  Can anyone tell me what model designation or grade this one is...Geo Sorry for the pics; they came out funny looking.
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I see that there are pins on both the top and bottom to the rear of the Action.
The top pin may relate to the cocking indicators rather than the sear fulcrum.
Raimey, is this action a Kerner-Anson, or still considered an Anson-Deeley?
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A&D Body Action w/ upper & lower scears/Belts & Braces. Kerner - Anson only had the upper & was the workhorse post WWI forward.
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KY-Jon, so yes there are firearms merchants w/ H.A. Lindner's control marks on them:  Kuhn locks  Frame filer or action fella mechanic w/ initials JW   Cheers, Raimey rs
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It is good to see another Prussian Daly thread come up. Since the experts are assembled, I was hoping for a grade number on the only example I own. I know it is one of the least expensive grades, being an unadorned 12ga featherweight extractor model. I bought it partially restored with a Mark Larson butt transplant and cleaned up bores. The action flats show what I think is a serial number (834 or possibly 334) and a light Prussia stamp: The barrel flats show the HAL and crossed pistols trademark: Can anyone tell me what model designation or grade this one is...Geo Sorry for the pics; they came out funny looking. So it reads Featherweight on the top rib? 2nd series. Maybe a Modell Nr. 118 or Nr. 125? Cheers, Raimey rse
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Daly 441 Locks. I wonder if Belgian locks had that Keystone style stop for the mainspring? Or was it some British fetish? Kuhn locks Cheers, Raimey rse
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Thanks Raimey, I've wondered what the model designation might be. And, yes it does say featherweight on the rib...Geo
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