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Rob, I surely hope my comments didn't step on any toes. I simply wanted to point out that I check all my guns, whether they are cast bullet, jacketed, factory ammo, or reloads, prior to shooting them.
I've had enough guns over the years, and reloaded for so many, that it's just part of my procedure for any new gun or barrel to check bore size. I also have gotten to where I do a Cerrosafe chamber cast, so I can not only check chambers, but also see what the transition to rifling looks like. Often it will keep me from chasing my tail if I check it first, and make sure that it will accept factory ammo and bullet dimensions, or it will tell me what size I need for either cast or jacketed bullets. I have had brand new guns that surprised me with slightly small or larger bores, and I ended up having to pull bullets on factory loads and seat proper sized bullets.

Vall,
I certainly agree with you in your statement that a barrel should not have to be returned because it was improperly done in a very dangerous way. The customer should not have to measure the bore and with the number of comments about how to measure the barrel and what appeared to be some lack of understanding how to measure the slug I have to say that I believe if the bore had been measured that the outcome would have been exactly the same. The gun would have been shot the exact same way. IMHO
As for JES I have a hard time understanding how they failed at the first attempt and apparently never measured their work either. Maybe their desire to turn the work around quickly lead to a very dangerous practice. Had someone been hurt, JES would no longer exist under their current ownership I would guess. Reboring and reborers were hurt by JES' failure to safe guard their customers. Not good. Not good at all.

Vall,
Just so you know, you can do pretty good bore/chamber/throat "casting" w/o Cerrosafe or anything other than a just lead and a piece of brass, a good strong rod, tape, and a hammer.

I cannot imagine how many hundreds of rifles have been rebored by JES (I have one), but it's a lot. This is the only bad word I have ever heard about them. Clearly, a mistake was made, but I'd not so glibly condemn them either.

Springfield rifle company survived many people getting hurt by their 03 actions that so many here dearly love to death (no pun intended). That company survived their errors and I think JES will too. Apparently, JES learned from their mistake and much faster than Springfield did. The Marlin pump action shotgun (1897?) was/is another deathtrap waiting to happen. Marlin survived that for another 100 yrs.

I've had a rifle recase colored and roasted to embrittlement in the process. That could have been catastrophic, instead of simply ruining a valuable and rare action and wasting a lot of my time and money. THAT outfit DIDN'T learn, and they may be roasting other actions as well.

I am sure we could all name many more similar gun-related things like this.

At least the problem has been identified and is, presumably, being rectified. Let's hope everyone involved is satisfied and this outfit will run for another century or two.

Yes, I'm aware of "pound casts" of chambers, but I wont ever use the method. I just don't care to pound lead into the chamber of any old gun I own. I know lots of folks do it successfully, but I'm just not one who wants to. I don't find Cerrosafe to be a problem, and have used it for many decades without a problem.

Steven,
If they had the chambering reamer resharpened, making it right on the edge of being too small in the neck. This would answer why it would work with one brand of ammo and not another, with maybe thicker necks. In my experience, 5 groove barrels are much more common than 3 groove. I suppose if the grooves are cut, one at a time, three would be quicker, therefore cheaper.
Mike