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No CJ,
Mine looks just like the drawing ( except no cocking indicators) and is not a "Meisterwerk" grade.
I believe it to be a XXIX (A))- long , heavier frame, 30" barrels , 70 mm ch,
No Dolls head rib extension etc.
Any of the Meisterwerk grades are rare birds indeed~ like grade 60 Sauers,
and similar Diamond Regent Dalys.
Best regards,
JBP
Last edited by J.B.Patton; 12/19/16 11:50 PM.
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Received the gun today- Any help with meaning of "cavemen and crowns" along with any other insight as far as other proof marks and stampings would be greatly appreciated.! Thanks in advance, best regards JBP Appears to be an XXIX ejector with straight rib extension. Upper and lower sears. Made for US import with Son (not Sohn) on receiver and rib. and with " Special Gun Barrel Steel "in English w/ three rings ( was this an upgrade?) -- but with sling swivels???? nice flourishes on thumblever and cross hatching atop the receiver and on end of muzzle rib wedges. 30"barrels, 7# 14oz. 70 mm nitro proof/ nice high stock dimensions. SN 222xxx should put man. in 1923    
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Very nice. Also rather significantly underbored, as a 13. Not unusual for German guns.
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Caveman is just the Sauer trademark. Crowns are about proof, I think?...Geo
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Any idea what the stampings on the rear lump reference?
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Nice gun, J.B.
BTW, I really would like to see some more of your ducks and doubles pictures you used to post. You are still chasing them, aren't you?
Merry CHRISTmas, SRH
May God bless America and those who defend her.
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With the English stamps, it would appear it was destined for the American/English market and would fall either under the VL&D Modell Nr. 180(280 as 180 only had overhanging scears??) or S,D&G Modell 30 or 40 w/ Krupp's Spezial 3 Ringe Stahl. As measured, the Sauer-Daly's were 1 inch longer and have the same water-table length of 56mm as those of the Lindner-Daly A&D Body Actions, while Linder's sidelocks are purported to be 62mm. Comparable German inland boxlocks were 48mm. Being a later offering, it should be in the Sauer ledger and the answers will be found there. The Crown looks to be the smaller of 2 of the brace of crowns & I'd hazard a guess it is for Shooting Performance. The Wildmann w/ the Staff & M are Sauer process marks.
Cheers,
Raimey
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Thank you Raimey,
Did the model 180 have upper and lower sears and ejectors?
Does the length of this action correspond to the Sauer " pigeon" gun length?
How can I access the Sauer ledger that you speak of ?
I know Griffin and Howe have the V,L& D records, I will contact them.
If G&H has no record, where else can I look for info on # 222231?
Best regards,
JBP
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Don't know if it applies to them all or not but my J P Sauer & Sons sidelock is plainly marked VL & D on it. This gun was from round 1901 or 02 I believe. It has the 70 marked on the extractor face, chamber length is not marked on the barrel flats.
Miller/TN
I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Mine has no such mark anywhere....maybe S,D&G import?
JBP
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