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King, my only point about media piling on is in reference to how different it is compared to the opposing candidate and past candidates. It is unprecedented. Dig hard enough and we all can be made to look like fools.


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No question that power attracts. I like to think Margaret Trudeau was more interested in Jack Nicholson's nature than his influence, though.

(Margaret is mother to Canada's current prime minister, Justin Trudeau. Bipolar and a loving woman, she was more than a handful to Justin's father, Pierre. Divorce didn't separate the family.)

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Another perspective appropriate to this discussion.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/rex-murphy-the-horrors-of-an-honest-america


Rex Murphy: The horrors of an honest America
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Rex Murphy | October 7, 2016 |

Do you believe her? Nope. Can she be trusted? Nope. That is how a majority of Americans responds to questions about Hillary Clinton’s honesty and trustworthiness. And it’s not a close-run thing. There was a poll done in August by NBC News that reported that among Democrats — Democrats! — only 12 per cent believed she was honest and trustworthy. Which leaves 88 per cent of that portion of the electorate most likely to vote for her believing she lacks those qualities.

Perhaps the only other major American politician in the last 60 years to approach these kind of “negatives” — as our pollsters disharmoniously characterize such findings — would be the shifty, bedraggled Richard Nixon, “Tricky Dick” as an adoring press baptized him. I’m not really sure even poor Nixon, after being howled out of office over Watergate, and stomped on by every editorialist in North America for two years, would rival Hillary Clinton’s inverted standing on honesty and trust today.

Now if we can allow that “honesty and trustworthiness” have some association, however vague and tenuous, with morality, and further allow that morality should equally have some association, however tenuous and vague, with holding the highest office of the United States of America, then we may if not conclude, then at least presume, that Clinton has a real problem.

But of course she does not. It is a good thing for her that telling the truth and holding the trust of the people one hopes to govern belong to that great category of quite outmoded and quaintly irrelevant elements of character that no longer apply to those who seek high office.

Politics has moved on immeasurably from the early days of the American experiment, when truth telling (“I cannot tell a lie, I cut down the cherry tree,” the urchin George Washington) was a touchstone that welded a leader to the people. It has moved on from the rustic and infantile era, when politicians offered their “character,” their uprightness, honestly, and fidelity to right practice, as essential constituents of true leadership.

Americans have long since jettisoned the awkward and straight-spined approaches, when candidates like the wretched Abraham Lincoln — who suffered the deplorable sobriquet of “Honest Abe” — put forth their “virtue” as an element of recommendation to the citizenry; and a citizenry, equally unenlightened, “looked up” to people who never lied, would not even twist the truth, and thought of “honour” as something worthy of regard. This was politics in its nursery days, callow and untaught.


The Lincoln strain in American — indeed most Western — politics, has, very thankfully, been allowed to wither and die, and happily consigned to history’s crowded basket of futile experiments and idealistic vanities. Indeed, one may look at modern politics as one huge and fully successful refutation of this man Lincoln’s ludicrous assertion that “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” Fooling them, outright lying to them (“You can keep your doctor”), fabulating recklessly (“I was under sniper fire in Bosnia”), shameless denial (“I did not have sex …”‘) has proved to be infinitely more productive, and certainly more fascinating.

The modern politician, untrusted and dishonest, rejects the Lincoln model, is willing, instead, to see “truth” as it really is, an impediment to ambition, a handicap in debate and an obstacle to any worthy candidate’s biography. What cannot be “spun” should never be uttered. What “really happened” is what they choose it to be.

The disease of the Lincolnian approach was shown when he declared, “I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.”

Where would American politics be today if, wounded by principle, politicians tethered themselves to such outlandish propositions? Most likely, a race between versions of Martin Luther King and Mother Teresa? And who could live with that?

How could the modern politicos explain themselves, if, deprived of the inexhaustible waters from the well of lies and evasion, they had to — sheer folly — fall back on the dumb truth? American politics would petrify, the great comedy of our time would fall silent. Bill would confess that he did have sex. Hillary would admit she had to hide her emails. Obamacare would have had to sell itself on the merits.

And where would that leave the U.S.? Well, if truth-telling and character were to make a comeback, ludicrous candidacies such as that of Donald Trump would be laughed off the map even before they began, and Americans today would not be choking on choice between pure, naked, selfish ambition and the buffoonish ejecta of reality television.

And Lord knows, that is a projection too frightening to contemplate.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown


(Margaret is mother to Canada's current prime minister, Justin Trudeau. Bipolar and a loving woman, she was more than a handful to Justin's father, Pierre. Divorce didn't separate the family.)


No, divorce didn't separate that family.

His intellectual and emotional aloofness towards her along with the demands of his job combined with her sluttish behavior as the wife of our Prime Minister, cavorting at Studio 54, having sex with the Rolling Stones and starting the celebrity trend of being photographed without her panties put the nails in the coffin of that marriage.

But she's from the right side of the politcal tracks and so gets a pass eh, for revolting behavior that Trump has to stretch to reach. By all accounts she was a crap mother and by all accounts Trump has been a great father. I know who I'd pick as a parent.

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It is not only different but, as you say, unprecedented, The Atlantic only last week, for reasons given. I can't imagine, in the current fever, it adding a cent to their revenues. On the other hand, there's the most-watched Fox network. Trump as a media junkie and expert knew that NYT and others had superb investigative capacity that attracted whistleblowers world-wide, and that it would all come out over time. The shame is what produced the tragi-circus won't be addressed after this election, setting up Trump or another like him for 2020.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....You're right on there, James. Sanders' authentic explanation attracted tens of millions of dispirited Republicans and Democrats. I question American "inability" to recognize what's going on. Dysfunction is partly because of their system....

About twenty years ago, bill was sexually abusing a female subordinate wh intern, among others. At the same time, hillary gave a public speech calling black youths superpredators, which blm has demanded twice this year, without success, to force her to acknowledge.

How come bill n her can add multi millions in wall st money to their personal wealth just because she was allowed to peddle st dept influence and skirted the voting process to take her turn at 1600?

Do you agree that sanders supporters are a bunch of losers? Do you agree with npca's russia ignoring uranium one ties to hillary?

hillary has made quite a bit of money off of her agreements with wallstreet. What do you get out of excusing and cheer leading for the dysfunction of the US democrat party?

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I wonder what would have happened if Last Dollar had put up a quote from something really controversial and divisive, say, 'Make Way For Ducklings'.

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Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
I wonder what would have happened if Last Dollar had put up a quote from something really controversial and divisive, say, 'Make Way For Ducklings'.

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Well, what would you have us talk about? The Red Wings? Hahahaha!

Going hunting now. You'll have to chat without me for the rest of the afternoon.


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No, she didn't get a pass from me or most Canadians at the time, as far as I know. Today we know of her mental burdens and are empathetic to the point of making her the cover of Reader's Digest.

A far as I know she didn't bear malice toward anyone, enjoyed horizontal recreation as so many of the 60s where anything seemed to go, Mick Jagger and Jack Nicholson et al as part of her's.

She never looked at another women and said publicly to millions Who would vote for that face? nor speculate about the sexual promise of one of her sons. I admire her for her valued work in the mental health field today.

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Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
I wonder what would have happened if Last Dollar had put up a quote from something really controversial and divisive, say, 'Make Way For Ducklings'.

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Chances are keith would still have attacked him.


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