Ithaca made some odd stuff. One day I walked into King Ferry 20ga with 24" VR choke tubed barrel, alloy receiver, steel trigger group and PG butt stock with Ithaca labeled vented recoil pad and lop of about 12.5". I did not know Ithaca at King Ferry offered kiddie guns yet I know they did because I held it in my hands. That is what I find so appealing with 37s and 87s one is never sure what close examination will reveal. It makes me fill like a kid opening big box of gourmet chocolates, wonderful isn't it? smirk