Thanks for all the input. I have a "low pressure" one ounce load I worked up a few years ago when I shot the Smith at doves and clays for a couple of years. (Had one of my best averages on doves and one of my worst!) I will either 1. Shoot the Smith with hand rolled one ounce loads of 6s (may have a few 5s from my old duck days) or 2. Buy a long screwdriver so I can take the stock off the BPS so it will still fit in the Ziegel takedown vase. Or 3. Buy one of those leather "gun butt gadgets" to wear on my belt and carry the 686 Baretta. Not going for meat,onlyfor fun, but hesitant to show up with decent SXS with custom loaded shells that were designed to.baby the gun with killing birds a distant second. Especially with the way I have been shooting lately!!!