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Bill:
That is really what I need to do. Between daddy duties, doctor visits and working on this old truck, I just hadn't found the time. Hopefully early next week I can alleviate that.
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Bill--Is your Scott one of those made for the American market? If it is, you might want to try it with good quality (AA etc) 3/4 oz target loads and take a look at your patterns.
One of the issues when you get down to 3/4 oz is that you may need to compensate for the lighter load with either a tighter choke or smaller size shot, as Miller suggests. I usually shoot 8 1/2's in my Repro 28ga, choked more open than your Scott. If I don't break a bird at skeet (ranges probably up to 25 yards), it's shooter error and not because the pattern is insufficient. That being said, if you think you're going to take very many 30 yard shots at grouse (more likely later in the season when the cover is more open, and less likely to encounter woodcock as well as grouse), then you may want to go with 8's or even 7 1/2's in a heavier load. Or tighter choke.
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Brother larry, Good morning. It is one of the "Orvis Best" guns made in the late 70's early 80's just before they closed up. 2-3/4 chambers but proofed at 3-1/4 tons.
This is my 1st patterning experience with the Scott. It killed kickum up quail and chukar over a dog, like lightening for years, but most shots were well under 30 yards. My skeet scores are good (for me) with this gun as well, using 8's and 9's. 20/23 low gun and delay, to break up the monotony.
I have shot AA's thru it on occasion, but in general, try to keep pressures sub 9k. I will shoot a couple of AA's today at 22 yards, as well as my handloads, and try the 7/8oz #8 at 30yrds as well.
Enlightening to say the least.
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My only 28 gauge is Model 12 field grade- made in 1940 era- has a 28" barrel solid rib-and is choked WS-2. But it has std. field grade wood and black buttplate, it is NOT a skeet grad M12- wonder how close to Mod. choke the WS-2 is in the 28 gauge?
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Too answer your question IC and mod works very well for grouse, I have a AYA #2 with two sets of barrels, IC and mod and mod and full. I shot the IC/mod 99 percent of the time.
Say for those board members that thinks a 28 shooting 3/4oz load is light-look at the pellet count of a 20 shooting 7/8 oz load.
Shoot straight and enjoy life at its fullest
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I bought a Webly 728 from Bill Jaques in 1980. It was the same gun I had drooled over a dozen years earlier in the H&R catalog. It was $700 in that catalog which also listed a Greener Harpoon Gun cased, identical to the one used in the first JAWS movie. It was chocked 1/4 and 3/4 which I believe equates to I/C and I/M. It only had (has, it is in my safe) 25" barrels. It got me started reloading and I killed hundreds of doves UNTIL I got to reading AND BELIEVING that I needed longer barrels. Still have the 28" straight grip Red Label I bought to fix my new "issue" but it badly needs two triggers.. Bought one of the Parker Repros at close out with 28" tubes, double triggers, English stock and splinter. Had it restocked with French walnut then sent it to Mike Orlean for long forcing cones and chokes opened to I/C I/M. Perfect dove gun? I wish!! The best choke, like the best bass bait, is the one you have confidence in. (Because that is the one you will be fishing/shooting with!
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Jaqua-- not Jacques. Parlez vous Francois? I hve been friends with him and done business with his operation since the 1970's- in Findlay, Ohio-- his daughter runs the business today. Bill set the standard for honesty in a game well known for being rigged with sharp practice deals that were done by unscrupulous dealers.
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Tyler; It sure is a shame you learned how to read. Otherwise you could still be enjoying a great little gun. Keep it in the safe though, Fashion & fad may change again in favor of the short barrels. Barrel length fashions don't change as often as Hem-Lines, but they do cycle. My Go-To gun for many years has 26" barrels, though not a 28 gauge but a 12. It's choked .012/.025, has been loaded light & heavy & has accounted for a good amount of game from Woodcock to Turkey. A very versatile gun & the short barrels have never been a "Handicap" to me.
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Tyler, After reading all the long barrels hype, I thought I had found the Holy Grail of Flues guns. 20ga, 30" barrels, under 6 lbs and in great shape. Scooped her up without a thought. After shooting it a bit, there was this nagging feeling that I needed to go change into a pair of gym shorts and go pole vaulting. The gun was sold last week. Not my cup of tea. Get that 728 out and put some miles on it! My 28ga is 25" as well and doesn't have dust on it. Hummm, maybe I'll get out a hack saw and the 28" SKB that is collecting dust. Probably time for a trim. 
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The "problem" with the Webley & Scott 728's--per current "fashion"--is that they all had 25" barrels. I think the late Michael McIntosh might shoulder a good share of the blame for recommending longer barrels on 28's. But then the current trend among Sporting Clays shooters is longer barrels on everything, 30's quite often regarded as being short.
Bill, I expect you'll find that your 28ga will perform quite well with AA's. Something I noticed with my Parker Repro 28: you may want to avoid the "Sporting Clays" AA's, with souped-up velocity. I grabbed a box by mistake and found that they deliver a good bit more recoil in a 5 1/2# gun. Standard skeet loads are fine.
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