For newer members, keith's above is not only a good but perfect example of his twisting and misrepresentation that forced me years ago to put him on notice to desist or I would not answer his posts. He didnt---and I dont.

He insists he never said a vote for Obama and Clinton is anti-gun. Lo and behold, its here again reference mid-terms as guns overshadowing in importance a great recession while the country is sacrificing heavily at war.

Distinguished polling organizations show clearly Americans favour gun control and background checks. Federal elections cant become public opinion indicators where gun control is far-down the list of national concerns.

If they were, what to make of a country of strong democratic tradition that voted for Obama twice and would again based on his current popularity compared to Trump and Clinton? keith and Dave close their eyes to trends reported by Gallup and Pew.