Originally Posted By: treblig1958
I like then both as they are both strong shotguns. Granted at the expense of handling ---


Mmmmmm ----. The fashion for American shotguns of this era leaned strongly to duck guns for 12 bore. These two brands & models in 12 bore tend to have duck gun handling, as one would expect. If you want game gun handling, you buy a 16 or 20 bore. The Brits, on the other hand, made 12 bore game guns aplenty. If you wanted "duck handling" you bought a 12 (or 10) bore fowler. This does not show any deficiency of design. Rather, it shows that it is not wise to try to make one gun suit very different purposes. IMHO.

DDA