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yea keith....keep it on topic....
BTW...do you still have your Hunter Arms Gladiator....and did you ever get it up and going....
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Where is Der Klunk when we need him....
Best,
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I would pick the 21.....but, I'm kinda partial to them. 
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I can't get excited over either one. I'd rather have a picture of a Philadelphia Fox than a 21 or a NID.  SRH Bingo. Find a 32" barreled Sterlingworth and pound those waterfowl (with appropriate loads of course).
foxes rule
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If Olin had the Model 21 underway, and one of such was picked at random from warehouse inventory for the 2000 "blue pill" proof testing, why didn't the WRA design team come up with a 10 gauge 3.5" chambered Model 21? Just wondering. The ink had barely dried on the Olin's purchase of the defunct Winchester Repeating Arms Co. at the end of December 1931, when the Western Super-X 3 1/2 inch Magnum-Ten shotgun shell first appears in the April 1, 1932, Western Ammunition for Rifle, Revolver and Shotgun and Ithaca Gun Co.'s Magnum-Ten NID hit the market. According to Williamson, there was still a very good chance as late as August 1931 that Remington Arms Co., Inc. would buy Winchester.
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I have always been a WRA guy- never owned a Remington except for a Model 12 .22lr pumpgun. But in the Roaring 20's, WRA got into hardware, sporting goods (fishing tackle, basketballs, hockey skates) flashlights, washing machines- you name it- sort of a "up your's Sears" approach to the mass marketing that started after WW1 and lasted until the Depression hit us hard-- So, was Remington-UMC in a better cash position to buy WRA in 1931-- they must have paid cash to buy Parker Bro.s in 1934. What was Ithaca's financial condition in 1931-- they never sold out, like A.H. Fox did to Savage.. Just wondering...
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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i have a 20 ga nid 26 inch bbls.field with ejectors 1939 mfg i really like .it has a nice piece of wood, nice simple gun and i looked at it and couldn't find any stamping except the for-end support.
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Keith, could we just once keep this on guns? Good luck with this one.
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[quote=Ted Schefelbein]Where is Der Klunk when we need him....
Ted, I'd assume Russ is spinning in his grave right now but Pete Hiatt"s having trouble sleeping. Seems a shadowy figure keeps entering his dreams saying "Hurry up Pete! Someone's saying good things about NID's and M21's on Double Guns!"
Old timers will remember...
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Both Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Inc. and Winchester Repeating Arms Co. greatly over expanded for war production for The Great War and then governments around the world pulled the plug with the Armistice, leaving them hanging. Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. incorporated in 1916, to raise capital for this expansion. They spun off a lot of their excess in 1920 and reorganized as the more streamlined Remington Arms Co., Inc., but still got into the cutlery business and other things.
Winchester also reorganized and came under new management, but the reorganization was fraught with injunctions and court fights, much brought on by a New Jersey lawyer, Elmer W. Demarest. Apparently, Arthur Young & Company's evaluations of WRA favored the majority stockholders at the detriment of the minority stockholders and there was a revision by Arthur Young & Co. Eventually Kidder Peabody became involved in financing and J.E. Otterson became president of WRA. This all eventually led to the amalgamation with Simmons Hardware, and Louis K. Liggett taking control, but delegating active management to others, mainly J. Clark Coit. It just goes from one horror story to the next.
In my mind the decline of Winchester began in 1902 when T.G. Bennett didn't take John M. Browning's deal on his autoloading shotgun and it was subsequently introduced in 1905 by the boys at Ilion. Winchester did have some 'golden years" as the hobby of the Olin brothers, but still never made a decent autoloading shotgun.
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