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Just throw 'em in the slag pot. That's what they do in River Rouge and Ecorse, Michigan. Prolly Gary, Indiana too. Bunch of fancy boys. Wagner is good slag pot chuckin' music.

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Two lawyers rarely agree. That's what's called law practice. Personally, I think Dave in Maine overstates the case. I wouldn't worry so much about using the best home defense weapon and ammo I could find.

If you have the right to defend your home and loved ones with lethal force (as you do in Georgia) you'd have to be pretty unlucky to draw a prosecutor who'd try to make an issue of your ammo. Maine may be different...Geo

What do you call a hundred lawyers in a sack at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start.


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Ja. Gotterdamerung und Der Krupp Stahl in Essen!! Musik fur dem Totenfest!! Herr Fuchs

We may not agree on freezing woodcock whole, but Geo and I agree on shooting to kill home intruders if one is in fear of own life or that of others in the home. There are no Marquis of Queensberry rules or Geneva Convention restrictions regarding choice of ammo in such situations. One issue of using rifles or handguns in such situations is the danger of shooting through a wall and hitting a family member. That's another reason for the choice of a bird shot loaded shotgun for home defense. Here's a short video of what a .22LR round can do inside a home penetrating wall boards. Gil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pSVn7ozXTQ

Buy a better house. In a better neighborhood. Won't have to worry about a lr going through your entire abode and far fewer nefarious characters invading your space. Problem solved.


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No experience with it. I can only comment on what I have carried, used, shot.

a 20 Ga pump is very appropriate for home defense. I would also recommend an AR15. the urban legends of 223/556 over penetrating walls is just that. the FBI has done tests on this.

handloaded ammunition has no place in a self defense situation because of the liability issues when you are placed on the stand and the plaintiffs lawyer asks you why factory ammunition wasn't "deadly enough" for you so you had to make up loads that were "even more devastating" or the defendant used "rifle powder" to make more powerful loads.
you think I am joking?? these issues have come up in trials of people who have used handloads in self defense. there are several books out there that detail case law and trials with these issues.

hollow base wadcutters seated backwards is also urban legend, widely touted in the 60's and 70's. if they expand, they wont penetrate far enough. you need 12" of penetration (as per FBI standards) in order to have a reasonable chance of hitting the vitals of a human form any angle.

best suggestion for ammunition choices is to find out what your sheriffs office issues or local PD issues their officers, carry that. you would be using what the law enforcement organization deems appropriate for defensive use. takes away a lot of arguments.

Politically correct burglar ammo? Who'd of thunk it!...Geo

Lawyers.

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