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For the experts forum, throw the next challenge and for my help:

This shotgun is a Handcrafted English and with Purdey system.

That English manufacturers in the past made shotguns with this system - copies?

Publish some photos that may help identify its producer.



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sorry no one noticed this.

Please post a photo of the action flats
That is a lovely gun.


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Thank you

Tomorrow I will put photo with proofmarks and it may well help.

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Purdey sure that's a Spanish gun. They did copy the Purdey system, and did it very well.

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the cocking rod running through the action is NOT part of the Purdey system but the lockplate looks very similar


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There are a number of Spanish (and other European & Russian) makers who have made a few guns with 'Purdey' similarities. Note this is strictly a 'Beesley' patent that Purdey bought and have used ever since.
This can range from locks similar to 'Purdey' locks, but lever cocked to near perfect 'Purdey' clones.
AyA built a full Purdey clone (called the model Senior with a total of about 40 made between 1979 and 1987). It was expensive and sold slowly. They have also built some models with a No 1 like action having lever cocked Purdey type locks. These are also only occasionally seen.
Ignacio Ugartechea also built a model 1040 (?) that was a Purdey clone. I think these were built in very low numbers in the 1930s.
Many English/Scottish makers (in addition to Purdey) have made a few examples, the most frequently seen being the Henry Atkin 'Spring Opener' model of which a few hundred have probably been made. Other makes include John Dickson, P.V. Nelson, Hartmann and Weiss, Peter Chapman, Symes & Wright, Watson Brothers, Holloway & Naughton, Charles Hellis. None have made very many.
Other European and Russian makers include Francotte, Tula, Baikal and Defourny. Again very few have been made.
I am sure there are other makers of which I am not aware.

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Sending photos with proof marks more visible.

I am grateful to help you identify the possible producer of this shotgun.










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It has chopper lump barrels...

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Beautiful gun. Maybe an outworker's "moonlight special" akin to the below?

"Classic Collectibles of Jasper, Georgia featured a newly restored Henry Atkins reasonably priced at $5,500. According to Classic owner Joe Hill, the shotgun was inexpensive because it was one of Atkins' "moonlight" shotguns -- meaning he made it after hours while working at Purdy. To keep his job, Atkins discretely produced these shotguns before setting up shop on his own where he could proudly display his name on his masterpieces."

DG BBS won't let me post a link to the article for the source of the above.

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I cannot help, other than to note that it looks very well made, and appears never to have been nitro proofed?

Since Frederick Beesley was the original patentee, I wonder if it is by him?

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