My buddy back in Virginia took both his Black Lab and his GSP over to a trainer in Deleware to get them to retrieve Doves, and from then on they were great at it. I took my little English Setter with me for our pitifully short season here in Washington last year, and when I'd connect with a tall incomer she would be under it like Ichiro in the outfield! Hope she doesn't try that with a Goose!!!