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I can't add much to this thread except to repeat some of the things Doug (PA24) told me and showed me via pictures about his barrel prep work. Even though he did more than a few barrels for me and shared plenty, there were still aspects of his work he preferred to keep to himself. I have noticed that same reticence with some other very high quality barrel bluers who have done my barrels.

Doug's main point with me was that too many craftsmen underestimate the importance of the barrels prep. Every single aspect of it. Ken just referred to 400 grit as the bare minimum for a field grade. Doug did a number of field grade barrels for me and he treated those as he did my best barrels.....and the final polish was with grits well over 1000. He would send me pics of the barrels in progress and they literally have a mirror finish.

Doug abhorred the idea of using power tools of any sort on the barrels he was bluing. All hand done. And although he was a big, strong man, I know he got tuckered out working on a set. All that hand finishing was tiring. And his fingers got destroyed....lol he'd send me pictures of those too!

He did his bluing cycles all in one day....usually around 12 -14 cycles and he'd be going at that from early in the morning until late at night. He was a perfectionist and I think often could not leave something to sit until it was perfect in his mind.

Doug knew the importance of the little details and would ensure that every barrel that left his home had been appropriately polished after the bluing process so the blue was where it should be and not where it shouldn't be.

He also never stopped trying to get better. He knew I'd had some barrels done by another gentleman who is an occasional poster here and known for his extraordinarily high quality workmanship. Every barrel Doug did for me, when I got it back I had to get it out along with a barrel or two done by the other fellow and talk to Doug on the phone, answering his questions about different aspects of the work and how they compared. Even though I think I have a pretty good eye now for quality bluing, thanks in no small part to both these craftsmen, I could never tell one's work from the other's except by my knowledge of who'd done what barrel. It was not evident in the workmanship.

And without getting too off topic, while talking about Doug, I just wanted to mention his attentiveness to packing things properly and making sure the shipping companies do what they are supposed to do. Anyone who had Doug work on something will know what I mean. He cared about it more than most owners! I already miss him.


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I cannot add much to Ken 61 and canvasbacks comments.
I have done many barrels both in brown, black and white and
BLUED STEEL. Are we all talking about browning and black-white finishing?. I have a Chemistry-Pharmacy degree and it is a challenging process and usually each barrel takes modifications of the process. Dr. GADDY'S PROCESS is the best way to start although he goes into unnessary steps in my opinion. Drew has some of my work on his site for you to view.
I will be happy to give some instructions and ideas if you wish, but it is not really a process you will want to involved with for a one time venture.
e mail me with any questions
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Ken, good to see you back. Haven't seen hide nor hair of you in months. You been downstairs in the gunsmith forum? Gil

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Originally Posted By: salopian
Surprised that this seems to be of no interest to people on this forum?


We were sleeping! laugh


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Originally Posted By: GLS
It would be great to see if the old videos of Ballistix999's (Tony Treadwell) browning process and of his carport case hardening of actions and other bits still existed. They were instructional, entertaining, and bristling with enthusiasm. I am afraid those are lost in cyberspace as are the many photos he posted here. Gil


I second this if for no other reason than Tony's inspirational and infectious attitude. That man appeared to be having the most fun possible. I don't know how he did it.


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When I first started doing barrels for myself, they were Damascus barrels. I would get these guns at a decent price because the bluing had worn off and on some were almost in the "white".
I learned from reading what Dr. Gaddy (RIP) had posted and started by making up a etchant solution container using 3"PVC with a solvent welded flat cap for the bottom and a screw off cap for the top. I used his recommendation of 15% by volume and the rest with distilled water. For the etchant I used Radio Shack.

The bluing solution I use is Laurel Mountain Forge. Easy to use and degreases also.
I had an aluminum tank 6"x6"x 48" with a lid that I used for steam bending the back posts of chairs I made. This worked out perfect and used a campfire 2 burner cooking stove for heat source. I leave them in until the water boils again, usually 10-12 minutes. Rinse and lightly card.

As to prep, I started out with 220 grit and worked my way up to 400 and on the last prep only going one way and do not stop in-between. I stay away from any lettering.
My rusting box is made of wood and also has a lid and inside I put a humidity gage and a small pan of water. The top of the box has a hole that I put a lamp that has an aluminium ring that holds it into the hole. I will leave the lamp on while I am down there and I usually rust in the evening and let it go until the next morning. The lamp is turned off when I leave. I can get the humidity over 80%. I only rust in the late spring and summer as I have found out that trying to rust in the winter is not good for me as I do not have a water source to rinse the barrels after etching.


For carding I have used steel wool after the etching and rinsing but did not like it. Most of the time I use an old denim patch from old jeans. Sometimes I'll use the maroon Scotch Brite.
Dr. Gaddy recommended about a 5-10 second dip in the etchant, and I find that is good.
I rust two times and then etch, rust again, etch and do it until the barrels look good to me. I do not bring them to the standard that Doug did, as then they do not look right on a gun that is not also finished.

For a final protective finish, Dr. Gaddy had recommended motor oil, or linseed oil. I tried the motor oil, not bad but lightly heating the barrels and then applying a light coat of linseed oil and let sit for a day or so is a nice protective coat and lasts.

Here are a few that I had done, not highly finished but good enough for what they are on.
One more rusting and etching.

Finished

A set of Stub Twist


I left this out and is important when boiling and etching. I coat the inside of the barrels before doing anything with shellac. I then have wooden plugs made up that are fit into the barrels at both ends. Make sure they are long enough because they will swell and sometimes very hard to get out. Rubber stoppers do no work when boiling as they will blow out. They are ok when etching, but I usually just leave the wooden plugs in.
Shellac is easy to remove with alcohol that is soaked in a cloth and pushed through the barrels.

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salopian,
It may be that it's not that people are not interested, but look for something like that in "Gunsmithing" instead. It doesn't make much difference to me, I watch both.
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JDW: Thanks for your post. I will put it to good use, as soon as I get ambitious. I have some LMF from doing a muzzleloader so that is a start.

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Originally Posted By: GLS
Ken, good to see you back. Haven't seen hide nor hair of you in months. You been downstairs in the gunsmith forum? Gil


I never left. I just don't always post. I make it a point to check the board every day, so a PM is a good idea. I'm up to my butt in barrels right now, which makes me happy. My current run started as a small seven set one, but has morphed into 15. I'm still receiving others for my next run, I have enough for that one, but still have space for a few others.

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This might help if the question is pattern welded refinishing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18MIvJwHhLh87zYiUDOQ4RkZKw7b42sUhVKz_9HMDdv4/edit

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