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Craig, I don't think of you--or Ed--as anything other than someone who posts on the Internet. I'm an old-fashioned type. I'll respond to what people say, but when it comes to forming a real opinion, I prefer to look people in the eye. My first real job was working for CIA--way pre Internet days, of course. But if I'm sizing someone up as a potential good guy or bad guy, I won't draw a conclusion until I've spent some time with them. I recall one guy with very liberal politics, which he regularly expressed on another BB. Met him at a shoot. Turned out that in spite of his politics, he was a real gun nut--and one heck of a shot. Not only that, he had good taste in reading: Bought half a dozen copies of my pheasant hunting book, back when I still had some for sale.

And I'd never call anyone a pig wacko dittohead just for starting a topic on gun rights. And I don't go to any lengths to ensure what anyone can type here. Since it's Dave's sandbox, that's his job. I only point out that they--and you, and everyone else--have the right to say whatever they want, whether or not some may choose to view it as anti-gun (in which case they're likely to take a fair amount of heat). But if they can stand the heat and Dave doesn't toss them out of the kitchen, then they have the same right to air their views as anyone else. And since this topic now carries the name of "trashed thread", they don't even need to worry about staying on topic.

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Measuring character by a person's politics is silly. What diminishes DoubleGun are those who use it to promote a political party: you're pro-gun if you vote one way and anti-gun if you vote the other---as if our sole abiding interest is guns.

Family and friendship, harmonious and productive relationships, high standards of human values, pursuit of happiness without intruding carelessly on the happiness of others are worth more than any gun to me. Guns fit nicely but they're not everything.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Measuring character by a person's politics is silly. What diminishes DoubleGun are those who use it to promote a political party: you're pro-gun if you vote one way and anti-gun if you vote the other---as if our sole abiding interest is guns.


It was only a matter of time before Larry's older brother King Brown gave us his two Canadian cents. If promoting a political party really diminishes this website King, why have you spent so much time here advancing the anti-gun views of the Liberal Left and supporting and defending the most extreme anti-gun Democrats? Here's but one example, even though you knew that Obama had pushed for more gun control and signed Executive Orders when he couldn't get his way in Congress:

Originally Posted By: King Brown
It's hardly mean-spirited to note that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm proud of it, apparent here as long as he's been around. He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16.


You cannot honestly claim to be pro-gun when you consciously support and vote for a politician who has a 100% anti-gun voting record and who promises to enact greater restrictions and infringements upon the 2nd Amendment. Your post here is about as dishonest as an abortion doctor claiming to be pro-life.

It isn't just a blip or a one time thing with our Trolls like you and Ed. You have been posting anti-gun, anti-lead, anti-2ndAmendment, and anti-NRA rhetoric here for at least 10 years. It is only recently that I began collecting examples so that you can't run away from your own words and pretend to be something that you are not. Here's a few to refresh your memory...

Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Court departed from the original understanding of the Second. The NRA and other groups rejected the original interpretation. Even as late as 1991, the jurist Burger appointed by Nixon said "the Second Amendment has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word 'fraud,' on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In 2008, in the District of Columbia v. Heller, what Burger said was fraud was accepted by the court. Interesting stuff.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Democracies make choices. Americans accept mass murder to defend an individual right to bear arms in the name of personal freedom.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
The roots I'm comfortable with are the radical---"to get to the root of"---and that's Jesus's teaching. The shame is how far the Christian community has drifted from it. We act irrationally from fear when the Christian message is to fear not, even death itself.We call ourselves Christian nations and stockpile ammunition, need concealed carry to protect ourselves and a regulated militia without regulations to protect us from our own governments, abandoning Jesus's teaching to defend it.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
The Second is what originalists and others want it to be, the former seeing any variances as infringements. So it goes and ever will be. It is not inviolable and inalienable as some members want all of us to believe.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
Gun control doesn't work? I believe gun control works reasonably generally in Canada, providing a less violent society compared to some others, in good part because of our different culture.


Originally Posted By: King Brown
I'd feel better about 2nd protection if our side stopped shooting itself in the foot with the makes-no-difference between 10 and larger magazines, cross-messaging of the worst kind. The antis are saying if the difference is 6-8 seconds what's the problem of excluding the 10-plus?


You see King, my opinion that you and Ed are anti-gun Trolls is based upon your own words. This is but a fraction of what you have posted here... many times going off-topic to do it. Few people have taken threads off-topic more than you King... without a peep from your little brother and self-appointed Moderator, Larry Clown.

Originally Posted By: King Brown
Dimensions of character---and culpability---are implied in the words we use.


So what do we make of it when you say such things, and then try to deny your own words?

Originally Posted By: King Brown
....He promised a day or so ago he was holding back some juicy quotes to prove I'm anti-gun, a common ploy of persons on the margins looking for attention....


Originally Posted By: King Brown
C'mon, Craig, let's not get off on tangents....

....I asked for evidence of his accuracy, integrity and truthfulness---and received none. Now I'm asking members to help him or produce evidence that I'm anti-gun. No distractions, please. Just the evidence.


And just how many times does craigd and others have to also provide you with evidence of your anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric???

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
You're sounding like the little fella, Craig. Where did I demonize the NRA, please?....

Pound for pound, I felt the need to trim a bunch-o-stuff off of this one too. You may not be aware of it, but I have a scale sitting next to my comp, more of a balance beam.

In this small example, I threw the pro gun dem reality on one side and the less than flattering NRA comments on the other, and guess what? Broke my scale, it took a distinctive anti NRA bent.


How many times can you get caught with the smoking gun in your hands and still claim that you are pro-gun? Even your fellow Troll Ed was finally able to admit it shortly before Misfires was closed down.

Originally Posted By: ed good
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES,,,

KING BROWN IS AN ANTIGUNNER...

NOW WILL YOU LEAVE IT ALONE?


Anti-gun birds of a feather flock together.


Voting for anti-gun Democrats is dumber than giving treats to a dog that shits on a Persian Rug

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case anyone other than keet missed the significance of these words the first time, here they are again:

"Family and friendship, harmonious and productive relationships, high standards of human values, pursuit of happiness without intruding carelessly on the happiness of others are worth more than any gun to me. Guns fit nicely but they're not everything."


keep it simple and keep it safe...
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