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Who would know better than you Replacement? This one was posted in Misfires in AmarilloMike's thread "Is Double Gun Dealer ed good Anti-Hunting?"

Keith, ya got nothin'. Time to seek professional help.

Well Keith . . . there you go. See, not everyone agrees with you. And not everyone who DISAGREES with you is anti-gun. You toss that around like you're some kind of special, stand-up guy because of your support for the 2A. You referred to Ed as an anti-gun troll. So yeah, you opened the debate on what constitutes support of the 2A. Military service clearly does, and in a very different way than does being a member of the NRA. As for your examples, the military falls under civilian authority. The president is C in C, but he's a civilian. Personally, having worn the uniform under 8 different presidents, the one I felt least comfortable with was the only one of the bunch who never served: President Clinton. That being said, I'd feel even less comfortable with the current one.

As for another example, the military being quite large, there are criminals (and even the occasional terrorist) to be found there. Also among the ranks of NRA membership. But anyone who's come out of the military with an honorable discharge has proven something others have not. That's why they have the status of veteran, and that's why they have certain privileges non-vets don't have. As it should be. That blank check we all wrote to Uncle Sam is a pretty big deal, when you stop to think about it.

And by the way, I never qualified for the GI Bill. There wasn't one for Reservists when I joined. So even though I was in the military the entire time I was in college, that was one benefit I didn't get. Glad to say that's since been rectified.

Justin and I have given you the appropriate advice for how to engage in a discussion on gun control, the 2A, etc. But I expect you'll undoubtedly continue to butt in when other legitimate subjects are under discussion.

What's a 'privilege' Larry. Writer of the gospel on the 2nd? Asked for a second time in a slightly different way. Would our current sec-o-state be your decision maker on all things 2nd based on the status of his military discharge?

When you get stuck on a notion, is it kind of like research for an article? And, yup, no doubt in my mind I'm way off topic.

You're still very confused Larry. I didn't open up any 2nd Amendment debate about Ed. There is nothing to debate as far as I'm concerned. His anti-gun rhetoric speaks for itself, and only an IDIOT would think there's something to debate there. Ed frequently tried to initiate debates concerning his ideas about giving up portions of our gun rights in Misfires, and I shot him down every time and told him there was nothing to discuss. But it's looking more and more as if you agree with Ed. Here's a couple examples of times he wished to discuss giving up some of our Constitutional Rights:





I also never initiated any off-topic discussion that seems to suggest that veterans have some kind of super-citizenship and a superior commitment to the 2nd Amendment or the rest of the Constitution. You did that Larry, and you can't seem to let it go... even though it's waaaaay off-topic. I think craigd further shot down that idiotic notion with his example of Swift Boat John Kerry. I'm sure Kerry is hardly the only anti-2nd Amendment veteran out there. But you probably believed those photo-op pics of him with a shotgun and camo hunting coat when he was running for President.

The advice you and Justin gave me has pretty much fallen on deaf ears. As I recall, he also wrongly accused me of "railing against someone's business practices." And you have put words in my mouth and wrongly accused me of initiating a 2A debate. I seriously don't give a crap what you think, and am only responding to point out how delusional you are. There was also that little statement where you appeared to be suggesting that I had mis-atttributed some quote to you as well. You appear to wish to move away from that one, and you also neglected to answer my very legitimate question about Ed telling lies about me. But since you have done the same thing, I guess we can conclude that you feel that sort of behavior is proper and civil.

Too bad someone doesn't start a thread about whining arrogant bloviating pompous asses with reading comprehension problems Larry. You'd be dead-nuts on-topic every time.

Well, my time and my 2c. I'm a vet also, 23 years Active duty (Army) and I'm starting to get a bit annoyed when some here is trashing a fellow vet. To those who have served, many thanks! IMO you are "super citizens" and a cut above those who did not serve. I understand that not all can serve, medical issues etc. But to the big mouths who never served for whatever reason you sure like us when it comes to protecting your rights during a time of war. I didn't see you in the Gulf or in any other conflict. Much to easy to stay home and make money, and not upset your way of life. While you were sitting at home watching TV, many of us were playing in the sand waiting for a chemical or Arty attack. Ours was not a 9 to 5 job, like yours. Rather than trash a vet, you should thank him.

My son is now in the Army, guess carrying on a family tradition that goes back to our War of Independence. Like me he didn't join for the benefits or money, but because he wants to serve and protect this country. He's willing to put his life on the line to ensure that we can speak our minds (like this board) and to enjoy the freedoms in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. What have you done to protect them?

When I joined up, soldiers were considered second class citizens, that has changed some, but for some we always will be second class.....until a war threatens your easy way of life.

IMO, this board has gone to hell because of a few loud mouths who disrupt any post made by someone they don't like or agree with. Instead of saying something constructive, they just trash someone personally or take over the post and bend it to what they want. Sad.

BTW, my wife and I are both NRA Life Members and are strong supporters of the 2A, just in case you want to trash us as Anti-2A

Thank you both you and your son Greg for your service to our country. I always enjoy your posts, especially about getting the kids out shooting. You too Larry. Best regards,
Steve

Sorry to butt back in MSG Westberg, and a heart felt appreciation for your service.

I would ask you to reread what you're calling military bashing. I think you might see that it is criticism of the position and/or comment from a person who happens to be a veteran not a reflection on their service.

Your rank probably made you responsible for the rating of many soldiers. The example I thought of seemed to lead me to believe that Purple Hearts were handed out like m&m's, and a full tour was a good bit shorter than a year, but that's just me and me alone. How about you, do you see him as a friend of the 2nd?

While I served, that time has passed, and I too think more about direct family members who are overseas at this moment and proudly serving.

Hi all, thanks for the kind words they are appreciated! As to an certain individual's support of the 2A, I doubt that he does. I firmly believe that LB does without a doubt!

Thanks craig for your service also.

I spoke my peace and I think this will be the last post I make on this subject. Thanks again all!

Best!

Greg

I bought a pre-Knockabout model (1891) in original configuration with damascus barrels. This 12 gauge has 2-5/8" chambers, which I bet was the nominal chamber length for Francotte 12's of early production. It now has long forcing cones as recommended by Sherman Bell, and I have shot many nitro loads through it.

The quality of the low end price gun is probably typical of the period. Fantastic triggers, good engraving, and decent balance... a 30" barrel gun at 6-3/4 pounds.