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Jim Carmichael had a theory about this- as during the Depression years-1929-1939, when the field grade M12 had a fair trade retail price of $39.95, the main reason the 30" barrel in 12 gauge outsold the 28" barrel version was simple hard-scrabble farmer economics- you got 2 inches more steel with the 30" barrel at the same price as with the shorter 28" length- go figure. [/quote]

Are you sure it wasn't because with 30" barrel Ole' Sod wasn't two inches closer to the game? In Europe we keep it simple short man short barrel tall man long barrels. We certainly would not buy shirt too large because more material was used to make it and the price was the same.

Jagermeister, if Continental barrel choice convention is as you say, about which I have my doubts, then it is idiotic.

And RWTF, take a chill pill and relax. People screw up guns all the time. Writers get lots of things wrong all the time.

And most importantly, DU is no longer any serious friend to the hunter. They are now an environmental organization, quietly disavowing previous support for hunters. So who cares what they put in their magazine?

sure as shit do- and where do you get the idea that DU isn't hunter based? One of the DU area Chapters has a 30 person committee behind it-all the guys are serious hunters: waterfowling, deer, turkey, upland birds, etc.

yeah-that one gets me- what is the evidence

true they spend the money they raise on habitat - instead of paying for my shells, decoys, truck and guns.

Saving/improving habitat has always been the focus from day one- but who drives and funds the effort? DU just funded a major effort for wood ducks on a local refuge, which allows hunting and is surrounded by state hunting lands

the magazine is certainly hunter oriented, even the CEO column this month discusses the unusual season that just ended with a hunter's perspective.

is it a duck hunting club, no, but it does a job none of us can do for ourselves

Well said, Sir. Dale Hall wrote about the "hit or miss" past season-with the closure that left us serious waterfowlers with the higher hopes for next year-as always. Also, the piece on page 12 of the March/April 2016- "All's Quiet" by Greg Hoch is, to my mind, evocative of a great story, F&S circa early 1970's- by Ted Trueblood- "Other Values"-great read, and to my mind, both articles recall to my mind the poem by e.e. cummings- "Teach us to care, and not to care-teach us to be still---" tag line only-- RWTF

Of all the things in the article to get worked up about you chose putting a rib on a Model 12? What about the statement that after lengthening the chamber to 3" you will need to install a 3" extractor?

Or, one question I'd like to see answered is, how is that he let a beloved and favorite duck gun get to the point where it needs refinishing in a bullet proof finish like Ceracote? I've hunted my Citori for the past 28 years on Champlain, the Cheasapeake, off the coast of Maine no less that 30 times on a 60 day season and it still has no rust on it. Don't they wipe their guns down?

That's my rant.

Mergus

I guess I missed his FUBAR-ed comment about the 3" chamber /extractor. Phil is NOT a gunsmith. nor always technically correct as to nomenclature. A friend has a 1939 12 field grade M12 that his uncle sent to the factory in 1939, and as WRA advertised in the pre-WW2 days, they lengthened the chamber to accept the 3" Magnum shell. This says a great deal about the strength of both Tommy C. Johnson's design, and also the requisite metallurgy of Winchester Proof Steel. I have two pre-1950 Heavy Duck Model 12's the receiver wall thickness is nom. /0625" greater than on the std. field grade 12 gauge version. Also, the barrel is heavier than on a field grade 12-greater wall thickness through-out. He has shot the living hell out of that modified M12, still as solid as the rock of Gibraltar-Ribs are superfluous on field grade shotguns, they are acceptable on trap, skeet and live bird guns-IMO.

Well maybe down there they still support hunters but they have totally abandoned hunters up here in Canada. And when I say abandoned I mean the corporate policies and actions.

There are still hunters who are members and help support it but IMHO they aren't paying attention to what the higher ups are doing. Millions of dollars spent on head office/interpretive centre and zero presence in the battle for hunting and gun rights.

Nothing about bringing new hunters into the sport. They now side with environmental groups when it comes to land use and ignore hunters and hunting. We are like the dog shit still stuck to their shoe.

Obviously different in the USA.

I'd suggest you write a letter to CEO Dale Hall- detail your concerns as to how you think Canada is getting the dog-shit Thom McCann's-- Dale is a real down-to-earth guy- grew up in hardscrabble Eastern KY--has the touch of the common man Kipling mentioned so well in "If"--DU has grown in $ and members every year, they must be doing something right. And 90% of the ducks and geese we kill here in the 48 each Fall are born and bred in your Country-how 'bout that?