Stan, I would prefer my GH Parker, 36" eight gauge with about 2 3/4 ounces of buffered #6. For normal long bird shoots where they actually look at your gun, regular pigeon loads, 1 1/4 ounces of hard 7 1/2 at 1225 fps. I have a lifetime supply that I loaded a few years ago when I thought I could afford to shoot flyers. The truth is that I can afford the shells, but can't afford the birds or the options.