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The key word here, of course, is "KNOWN", and next thing we get to ask is "in what market?" The Gun Digest Book of Gun Values (2011) quotes TsKIB guns at max. $1000-1500, even for their best SLE - apparently the market "thinks" "It's Russian, so it's got to be sort of like Baikal". At the same time, in Russia TsKIB is clearly at least BV3, if not higher, and I know a couple of gun dealers who used to make a living tracking down MC guns in the West and selling them in Russia at anywhere from 5000 to 15000 USD (the plunge of the ruble put an end to this). It would be interesting to do a cross-market comparison of your model.

P.S. As far as a prof. of English as a Second Language teaching at a school of Business can pass judgment over such things, your model and your work on it, if you published them as an academic paper, would get a whole lot of interest and quotations.

Thank you for the kind words, HD; I have great respect for your point of view. I hope to make the model/system more widely available in the future. I have had a great deal of fun working with it here on this board.

The goal of the model is to serve all gun markets; we now live in a well developed global market system. The USA has historically led in the gun market and siphoned off the more desirable guns of much of the world. As above, when any one market gets out of step, the products go somewhere else. Obviously, some Americans lost "their shirts" by considering TsKIB a BV5 maker. $5,000-$15,000 for best work SLE's makes TsKIB a BV3 maker.

DDA

Yes, but the firearms market is not a free market in the true sence. There are legal restrictions and import dues that make some markets virtually closed. E.g., importation of a gun from the U.S. to Russia may mean anywhere from the cost of a return trip to the U.S. (if you go the "personal use" route) to 150% of the value in taxes. Oh, yes, and if the make and model is not on the official registry list, you have to pay to have the gun "sertified" (inluding Russian proof).

Claycrusher, could you explain what is wrong with your Holland? Also, Rocketman, can you tell us what is wrong with your Woodwards? It isn't very clear in your posts. Further, we didn't get much if any explanation why the Hussey is not second tier like I always thought it was.

8-b, I'll try. My 1879 JUL double rifle (.450-400 2 3/8"), 1882 12 bore TL hammer gun, 1911 12 bore BLE, and 1947 12 bore BLE pigeon are all in fine fettle, used and loved. The 1892 12 bore BLE needs trigger pulls lightened. 1894 pair of 12 bore UL Automatics need trigger work to mitigate doubling. 1897 12 bore
TL SLE --- beautiful action to be rebarreled and restocked.

Hussey is a poster child of a maker with a world of talent but an insufficient business model. Hussey, per se, was not in business nearly long enough to suit the market. Unfortunately, the later association of the Hussey name with business making lower quality guns was not helpful, either. Hussey's output of guns was low. I'm unsure of the % of said production being high grade. Also, Hussey did not contribute any of the major patents, to my knowledge.

Remember, lower BV means more opportunity to buy best work guns at good prices --- as long as you keep in mind that they will resell at the lower BV.

DDA

Thanks, Don.