On Jan. 4th, when Dave Weber locked the most recent discussion pertaining to Gun Control and Gun Rights, he said this:
"This is NOT a political debate arena.
This is a pro-gun website...and surprise surprise...I am pro-gun.
As in pro-all kinds of guns...not just pretty 2 barreled ones."With that statement, our host made his own entry into the politics of Gun Control. But Dave's statement was not debate. The people who have agreed here in this thread with Dave are also not debating the issue. Dave went on to say this:
"If you are not pro gun you can either leave...Or, pipe down and be respectful of the majority. We really don't care to hear your opinion."In response to that stern warning, a couple non-U.S. citizens who have frequently supported Gun Control and Anti-Gun politicians such as Obama said this:
There's no "if" about it: the vast majority of Americans and Canadians are in lock-step support of background checks, according to all the polls.
We may fume and fulminate, postulate Valhalla or blue ruin, but like Sgt. Friday said, "Just the facts, m'am." I leave it there.
And this:
We all believe in gun control....even Keith, and the NRA.
The fight is......where to draw the line, and who decides where that line is. Even here, if people had anonymity, and had no fear of verbal retribution, would admit to having their line drawn much further then some others.
D.
The problem is, King Brown, and dla (sic), and Ed Good promote and support 2nd Amendment restrictions on law abiding citizens. I don't, and neither does the NRA. These Trolls not only continually work to undermine our freedoms, they continue to violate Dave's very recent warning to either keep their Anti-Gun opinions to themselves, or simply leave. Were any of you polled on your opinion of Universal Background Checks? Me neither! Trolls like them are the sole reason why we cannot have simple and factual discussions about the threats to our Constitutional Gun Rights in this forum. Anti-Gun Trolls like them are why these discussions sometimes degenerate into the distasteful. Is it any wonder when Trolls, who claim they are not Anti-Gun, make irrational statements like this:
The roots I'm comfortable with are the radical---"to get to the root of"---and that's Jesus's teaching. The shame is how far the Christian community has drifted from it. We act irrationally from fear when the Christian message is to fear not, even death itself.We call ourselves Christian nations and stockpile ammunition, need concealed carry to protect ourselves and a regulated militia without regulations to protect us from our own governments, abandoning Jesus's teaching to defend it.
I am not engaging in political debate. We all know what happened a few days ago. Barack Hussein Obama sidestepped Congress and enacted new laws that will affect many of you. This is the same Obama who recently commuted the sentences of drug offenders, knowing how much gun violence is caused by the drug trade. Obama, who has been 100% anti-gun his entire political life did not disappoint. Barack Hussein Obama, who said he respects the 2nd Amendment also told Prof. John Lott at the University of Chicago that
"I dont believe people should be able to own guns." Under Obama's Executive Order, if you sell more than one gun... you will be considered a dealer. If you do not have an FFL, you will be a felon subject to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. If you give a gun to your son without a background check, you have committed a Federal Felony and will go to prison and lose your voting rights. What does this do to Dave's For Sale section? How many guys here sell more than one gun using Dave's For Sale Section? That section is closed to most FFL Dealers now. How many guys here have more than one gun to sell or pass on to their heirs? How does Dave know if the non-FFL advertisers in the For Sale Section here are in compliance with the new draconian law, and can he be considered an accessory to any illegal transfers?
Other non-U.S. citizens who contribute here from Canada, Great Britain, and Australia have warned us in the past to never give up an inch. The inch was given up when Obama was elected, and he has taken a mile. Like it or not, we now have an illegal backdoor Gun Registry. If Universal Background Checks was not a Registry, the Form 4473 would not require the make, model and serial number of the firearm being transferred. No debate... just the facts.
Dave says that this is a Pro-Gun website. I'll believe that when I see some of the Anti-Gun Trolls finally get the boot. And now the Trolls will be screaming and e-mailing Dave to have this thread deleted as well.
