doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Don Zutz

That buck killing story sure drags on longer than it should. Plus I gather you are saying you shot him with a .44 Mag but it sure would have been nice if you had just said so a little closer to the action.

Bell writes of dropping cormorants as they flew over a lake .....he was using up a lot of ammunition that had too many duds to be trusted in a hunt. The birds were pretty far off, over 100 yards I'm sure... some guy came up and asked him what type of shotgun he was using that allowed him to reach out that far - which was of course his rifle.

Not to pick on Drew . . . but we need to be careful about posting long extracts from published books and articles. They're copyrighted, and even if the author is dead (as in this case), it doesn't mean that copyright protection is no longer in force. Back in Keith's day, authors typically sold first time North American rights to their books and magazine articles. That means the author, or his heirs if he's deceased, still retain those rights. We're sometimes able to sell previously published material. Not a lot of money involved, but there isn't a lot of money involved in the outdoor writing business to start with. It's OK to post SHORT quotations from a book or magazine article, but otherwise you're stepping over the copyright line--unless you know that the work in question is in the public domain (which would be unusual). Maybe a year or so ago, someone posted the entire text of Corey Ford's famous story "The Road to Tinkhamtown" on another website. The moderator issued a reminder in that case. And it's possible that you might get Dave into trouble as well, because the text is appearing on his website.

Please respect starving writers . . . even if they happen to be dead.

Larry, if you site the author and book and page in your post are you still violating the copyright?

Yes, something to be aware and careful of, but not to worry here Drew, hard not to see this as a "fair use" copyright exception. It's a brief excerpt of Elmer Keith's story, reproduced as an example to illustrate a particular point. I can't see any conceivable damage to the copyright holder from this use.

Jay

Copyrighted material can be reproduced for educational purposes. The violation comes when the reproduction becomes a commercial event for the person copying the work.

Larry's point is valid, and I deleted the text and posted the link to the story, from another website
http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=34

Holly Cow, I sure hope when I am dead and gone people don't rip me as some here have done to Don. An author does his best to research his subject. Some errors can be made and, if an opinion, just that. I am sorry Don isn't here to defend himself. So--how many dis-tractors have published their works???

ive read with interest about the original post of don zutz n jack o connor.i too grew up reading my grandfathers outdoor life,he would never throw any away !he would easily have 4 or 5 months worth on his end table at any given time.
I read and reread oconnors stories from pre teen yrs til he passed .I also remember getting my very 1st .270 sako finnbear for ungodly price of $150.used in 1975.thanks for the memories!
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His was one of the first books on SxS guns I read long ago - when there was a paucity in the number of such books. I've always thought he was a fine writer.

Not all natives of grizzly country are so down on a .44 mag. One of my best friends used to be a cameraman for one of the popular hunting TV shows. They were filming in Alaska about 10 years ago, along a salmon river, and my friend met a native Alaskan and struck up a conversation. The older man said "Son, where is your gun, you're in thick grizzly country." My buddy replied that he was okay,and that he'd keep his eyes open. The older guy was very serious and handed him a lightweight .44 mag revolver to keep until he finished filming. My friend hefted it and said he bet the thing would kick like the devil. Owner said "Son, you won't even notice it when you've got it in a grizzly's mouth".

Apparently he thought enough of one to bet his on life on it.

SRH