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Hunting birds,any birds, over my Draht. They call them ugly dogs for a reason! I believe Kaiser and I are kindred spirits, neither of us looks too good, we aren't much into style, but we get the job done.

My favorite shotgun to hunt with is a different one than last time.




CHAZ

"Nice dogs and brass loads. Can you please educate me as to how your crimp the brass shell to keep the paper card in place? I have never tried to load brass loads and I don't know how involved it is. Thank you in advance."
BillK

Thank You Bill.
As King wrote, but with the following: The OSC's are 1 gauge oversized and glued in with Fletch Tight. Brass hulls are easy to reload with simple hand tools, no press. The preparation process is more involved than paper or plastic, in that the hulls should be cleaned of powder residue at the hull mouth and some of us like to tumble the hulls for maximum shine. After hull prep It takes me about 30 seconds to produce each load.

Thanks, Stan. I'm glad you enjoyed them.

The Model 12 was Dad's, is now my son's, and three generations have taken pheasant with it.

Jim-16's with RST shells (can't get them in Alaska so load something equivalent) are about all I shoot. Your brass shells look top notch. Can you share your load?

Brass hulls have become very expensive.
SR4756 has been discontinued.
The following recipes are for 16 GA

7/8oz shot, 16.6 grains Green dot, Win primer, Card wad with fiber filler.
7/8oz shot, 16.5 grains Unique, Win primer, Card wad with Fiber filler.
Both loads are rated at 1190fps, 2 1/2drams. Equiv.

I have not shot or patterned the 7/8 0z. green Dot load.

*3/4 or 7/8 oz shot, 18.3 grains Unique, Win primer, card wad, fiber filler.
1230fps, rated at 2 3/4 Dram. Equiv.
Load them all at about 40 lbs. pressure on the wads.

*This load patterned outstanding in my AyA and my friends Parker and is perfect for Blue and Ruff grouse. I also use the load for dove, Huns and Quail

I have shot, patterned and chronographed the loads listed below.

Shot wt. Vel. Powder Gr. Wads PSI
1 1178 SR4756 28 card & fiber 5780
1 1238 SR4756 30 � 6440
1 1328 SR4756 32 � 7440
1 1/8 1325 SR4756 32 � 9620
1 2 � dr Trail Boss 23 card and fiber
1 1/8 3 dr Trail Boss 25 card and fiber

Card and fiber wads for each load are: 1 over powder card (OPC) 2 cushion wads (CW) and 1 oversized (14 Ga.) over shot card (OSC) and 40 lbs. pressure.

Jim,
Great information. Way more than I expected. I wish there was good smokeless data for the MagTechs.

I have an unopened can of SR4756 and with only 10 RMC 16 cases it will go a long way. I have a Manufrance whose right barrel is rifled and when I bought it I expected it was a ball and shot gun. It appears, however, that the rifling was meant for control of the shot pattern. Anyway, half of the RMC's are loaded with paper jacketed 435 gr conicals and the other half with round balls. I have not tested these and with what I now know I will probably disassembly them for shotshells.

Thanks for taking the time to post the data. Incidentally, the pheasant population in western Nebraska is pretty amazing-like when I was a kid there. Just across the border for you. The CRP land we were hunting was positively devilish and we had to keep Pepe booted the entire time. Combination of head high sunflowers, thistles, impenetrable tumbleweeds and other things that clinged, scratched and poked.

You have a beautiful French Brittany.
Dennis

Thank you all for the explanation on brass shells and loading.
BillK

Dennis and BillK, Thank you.