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Meant to say in addition, it is very hard to photograph this gun well. Looks much better in person.

Everyone has their view on these things.
A big retailer is also hamstrung by the fact that the unknowing public will buy that gun, walk out the door, and stuff baby mags into it.

If a person wants to trade in old shotguns, they best have a thick skin. The world markets left them behind a hundred years ago.

The gun has not been refinished. As others have pointed out, the metal condition is un-abused but most of the original finish appears to have worn off. Looks like a nice gun to use in the field. I would value it at 12-1500$ from what I see. It is rare at any shop to find a guy who really knows doubles. Most gun store guys know a little bit about many things but are unqualified to evaluate an old SxS.

Ha, fortunately I don't take the assessments personally. I was just curious on the evaluation of the gun from a more informed perspective than both my own and Cabelas. As it stands, I have virtually no financial downside risk in this gun as I got it at an extremely low price on Gunbroker from an uninformed seller who took poor pictures. Essentially paid a wallhanger price.

I mainly took issue with Cabelas insinuation that the gun wasn't original in some respects. For instance, they said the barrels had been refinished which I don't think is true. Based on what I have read on here, the barrels were originally a sort of "plum brown" as PA24 does them and have aged into a more conventional brown throughout the length of the barrels.

I am very happy with my purchase and its performance and appreciate all the useful input that I can always rely on this board for. The only risk is that I get emboldened and keep making purchases

That is a considerable risk...Geo

Steve, even though you can still see pores, the areas of common wear have seen additional finish applied. And the crossbolt looks proud of the action due to wear.

Someone was asking about one of these here a couple years ago.
Some found the fish scale treatment off putting.

It seems to hold resale value back.

Unfortunately Dan, you also risk being accused of being dishonest and cheating the seller by nca225. I bought a Lefever a couple years ago, fair and square, in a Gunbroker auction. I was the high bidder among 7 other bidders and 15 bids, and I won. I used the photos to make my judgement of value as per the instructions of the FFL Dealer who auctioned the gun. Since then, nca225 has accused me numerous times of being dishonest and cheating the seller simply because I used my eyes and made the highest bid. Recently, this false accusation by nca225 has evolved and grown into repeated accusations of me cheating on the purchase of more than one Lefever.

So just remember, telling us about a good deal you got might result in someone using that information to salvage their own reputation by attempting to make you look bad. You'd have thought I was low-balling poor old widows on their deceased husband's guns before the body cooled off.

I looked at your pictures and do not believe it has been refinished or had added finish applied to the stock. I hope you can live with the guilt of getting a good deal and enjoy your gun.

If you are happy what else matters? Do understand that cabellas tries to buy guns for 40-60% of their expected selling price. So a 500 dollar offer may be an expected 1200 retail sale price. You are selling for a heavily discounted price when you deal with them

Also some stores sell certain type guns better than others. One I know can sell Winchester Model 12 for top dollar and another about two hundred miles away just has no local market for the same guns. Your gun may just be an item that they know will not sell fast or for top dollar. The fish scale finish is not in high demand, the location of safety turn off some and the Damascus barrels are known danger selling points to many. I've been told a few cabellas stores will no longer buy Damascus guns at the direction of the stor manage.

But it's like the Model 12s liked by some and not even a flicker of interest for others. If you want to have fun loan a pump gun to a person who only shoots autos. When he returns to his auto he will pull back on the fiore end after first shot.

Keith, that is an unfortunate story. Here, due to the fact that the seller was incapable of conveying basic information about the gun, I considered it a high-risk transaction and limited my bidding accordingly. Fortunately, the auction ended before it hit a price where I grew uncomfortable. There have been a number of auctions where I have stopped bidding despite considerable time and energy invested researching on account of uncertainty regarding the intended purchase. On one hand, I may have missed out, but on the other hand I may have avoided an ill-advised purchase that I couldn't afford. In any event, that is the kind of "unethical" behavior that won't prevent me from sleeping at night.

I met a guy recently who fleeced a guy dying on his death bed out of a nice Spanish double for a fire sale price. Left a bad taste in my mouth. He seemed quite pleased with himself though.

KY Jon, agreed, I am happy and that is all that matters. I just come here to get better informed to hopefully anticipate mistakes so that I can avoid them in the future or learn from the ones I have already made. There is definitely a locality factor in gun sales as well.

Have to admit, I don't get the draw of a Model 12. That being said, if I find a good deal on one, I would probably buy it. Always fun to try out different varieties of scatter guns

Well, late to the party, but I'll toss out some analysis.

Greener is Brand Value three (BV2).

I'm going to call it an Original Quality grade eight (OQ8) - plain NLNE.

Current Condition looks to me to be "heavy use, but no abuse." I'm buying the idea that it has mostly worn OE finish and the rest of the gun fits to that use/care indication. CC4.

So, BV2-OQ8-CC4 = $1,157. I'd give a confidence range of $900 to $1,500 considering the possible range of OQ grade and CC level. Hope this is of some help.

This gun was, like all guns of Brit Trade origin, sound and usable when it left the shop/factory; Greener's was a factory. With care, good lube, and appropriate fodder it will go bang a lot of times. If the guy privileged to pack it does his part, it will harvest an abundance of the fall's bounty.

DDA