My problem with 'put and take' and I'm a bit embarrassed to admit to, but my bird dogs are not broke enough to handle those birds in a gentlemanly fashion.......they catch them. Any bird dog man knows that is the fastest thing in the world to set a bird dog back. I don't field trial so I don't give a hoot if my dogs are that well broke....they can't catch wild birds. I've got a little pointer that is an outstanding grouse dog, but not totally broke, at least not to wing and definitely not to shot. A friend of mine talked me into entering his Ruffed grouse society 'fun trial'. What a joke. We used pheasants, hens that supposedly don't run as bad; well my fine little grouse dog caught 2 of them, and I'm sure she would have caught more had I given her the chance. Problem is....in this day and age about all a lot of people have are put and take. Given that scenario, it's not all bad given the poor alternative which is NO hunting.