Fine Buzz ,I'm not trying to change your mind and I apologize if it seemed that way I was just having a good time with this .... I've said on most every post I agree with you,you're obviously very passionate about your opinion regarding this topic ...but the people who do enjoy these things will continue to do so how they see fit ,this was a thread about the enjoyment and interest of a certain thing ,I also apologize to the OP that this has gone on to what it has ...you've made your point Buzz thanks for the facts and your passion explaining them ,but I will still smoke when I feel like it as will the others who do here ,you're not telling anything we haven't already heard .

Things like this are why I hate to post here,I thought with mis fires gone we could could have a nice discussion and pass some pictures and experiences back and fourth .
Not likely apparently