All war is bad, in that we can't find better ways to ameliorate different interests without killing--- civilians surpassingly more than combatants--- and keep killing to serve those interests.

No one here believes in peace at any price although history seems to show greater reasoning, jawing instead of killing, has had a mitigating effect on starting wars. Even the Great Satan criers are fighting on "our" side in the Middle East.

And---a member the other day was saying Putin "saved" Obama's bacon in the region. Globalization, everyone taking in each other's wash one way or another, and no-win nuclear are becoming game-changers.

ISIS is manageable.