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Ned Lilly won, placed, or showed five times for the GAH doubles championship. He didn't mess around. I have always thought it was telling that his Crown Grade Smith had a Miller trigger.
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All troubles with the Hunter One Trigger (Lard's patent) are caused by the design shortcomings of the gun in which it's installed, and/or the tamperings of the incompetent.
It's funny that Lard triggers in Westley Richards guns have no such bad reputation but when that trigger is used in a Smith it suddenly becomes an incomprehensibly complex, unreliable unit that "America's best" gunsmiths won't touch?
Give me a break.
I suggest that you read the Guncraft section in the March/April 2010 issue of Shooting Sportsman. There you will find all you need to know regarding Allan Lard's fine design.
As far as repairs, I wholeheartedly recommend Jerry Andrews. He understands how these triggers function and is willing to work on them.
Happily, my days of working on Smiths are past.
That same article, by Vic Venters, also appears in his book "Gun Craft". A good volume for any doublegun lover to have in his library.
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[quote=Ithaca5E]Ned Lilly won, placed, or showed five times for the GAH doubles championship. He didn't mess around. I have always thought it was telling that his Crown Grade Smith had a Miller trigger. [/quoteNed is from Stanton, MI the Montcalm Co. seat in MI- his father, Old "Doc" Lilly devlivered many babies back in his time, and Ned was a boyhood Trapshooting Legend. His Smith is in the ATA Hall of Fame, not sure about his Model 12. His son John, 6 years younger than myself, and I used to bird hunt together back in the mid to late 1970's- John was on the Army clays team, shot a 12 gauge Win 101 for clays, and a Winchester M59 12 ga. for birds-Damn fine wingshot too!!
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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i thought lc had 2 3/4 chambers
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Hunter Arms Co. lengthened 20 gauge chambers from 2 1/2" to 2 3/4" in 1936. L.C. Smith and Fulton 16 gauge guns manufactured as late as 1939 are still found to have 2 9/16" chambers.
Unless otherwise marked, 12g chambers from the time of L.C. Smith Maker, Syracuse hammer (1884) and hammerless (1886) were 2 3/4".
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Gil I had a Smith 20 ga 2E and a 12 gauge Crown grade with factory SST and they gave no trouble.L C Smith made a great many more side by side guns with single triggers than any other maker except Win 21. Bobby
Last edited by bbman3; 08/20/15 07:55 PM.
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I've said this before and I will say it again, most problems with a HOT is that the gun was taken apart by a gunsmith that did not know L.C. Smiths and the Hunter One Trigger. There are three screws that can cause this trigger to not work or not work correctly. In putting the stock back on, the top tang to trigger plate screw has to be just right, too tight and it will cause the trigger housing plates to bind on the sears. This screw has a tapered head and has to be orientated to the slope of the top tang, so this means one full turn. The next screw, rear trigger plate to rear of top tang. This screw if it is sticking out of the top tang is doing the same, binding the trigger plate to the sears. The third screw is one that is the most common problem when the locks are taken off, the lock plate connecting screw. One half turn will make the HOT double or not work at all. Since all screws to an L.C. Smith, even the lowly Field Grade farmers implement gun had all screws orientated. If you have ever had a stock off a gun with a HOT trigger and seen how much more wood had to be removed for it to fit, you would wonder how it could hold up. Not only was more removed, but where the selector bar is, a small hollow is put on each side for the bar to be able to move for left or right switching. The HOT is an excellent trigger if left alone with very few moving parts. Of anything to go wrong is the thin wire spring on the spur lever. 
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I've said this before and I will say it again, most problems with a HOT is that the gun was taken apart by a gunsmith that did not know L.C. Smiths and the Hunter One Trigger. There are three screws that can cause this trigger to not work or not work correctly. In putting the stock back on, the top tang to trigger plate screw has to be just right, too tight and it will cause the trigger housing plates to bind on the sears. This screw has a tapered head and has to be orientated to the slope of the top tang, so this means one full turn. The next screw, rear trigger plate to rear of top tang. This screw if it is sticking out of the top tang is doing the same, binding the trigger plate to the sears. The third screw is one that is the most common problem when the locks are taken off, the lock plate connecting screw. One half turn will make the HOT double or not work at all. Since all screws to an L.C. Smith, even the lowly Field Grade farmers implement gun had all screws orientated. If you have ever had a stock off a gun with a HOT trigger and seen how much more wood had to be removed for it to fit, you would wonder how it could hold up. Not only was more removed, but where the selector bar is, a small hollow is put on each side for the bar to be able to move for left or right switching. The HOT is an excellent trigger if left alone with very few moving parts. Of anything to go wrong is the thin wire spring on the spur lever. No screws in a Smith (or any shotgun) have to be tightened "just right" in order for the trigger to function. If the trigger does not function with all of the screws tight (as they should be), then the problem is that the stock's internal structure has failed, PERIOD. Shooting a Smith (or any other gun) with screws (especially the breech screw) loosened at all will have a detrimental effect on the gun. It is gun plumber advice like this, that helped to get this trigger its undeserved bad reputation.
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"No screws in a Smith (or any shotgun) have to be tightened "just right" in order for the trigger to function"
Bet me.
"It is gun plumber advice like this that got this trigger its undeserved bad reputation."
Excuse me Mr. know-it-all, what is a breech screw?
David
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"No screws in a Smith (or any shotgun) have to be tightened "just right" in order for the trigger to function"
Bet me.
"It is gun plumber advice like this that got this trigger its undeserved bad reputation."
Excuse me Mr. know-it-all, what is a breech screw?
Bet me? Wow, clearly I've been proven wrong.
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