Dave, I think 'the Glorious 12th. is there just for the Press and the anti shooters to get excited about. A few grouse moors shoot a few on the 12th. for tradition but most wait until September when the birds are more sporting and fly better. A wet spring this year does not bode well and numbers may be down. Last year was a good one. My boss who owns a grouse moor is off to Argentina for dove instead and will shoot the grouse later. Lagopus.....