The "Ithaca Perazzi" business is another situation altogether. In later days, Ithaca had no idea how to color Knick trap actions and used torches indesciminately in many different ways, not alway too pretty. The same result affected some Perazzis that were trusted to Ithaca for refinish. Ithaca memos made no mention of anything but torches in the later days. Everyone who knew how to do it right was retired or dead.