Interesting that they're using two different manufacturers for the "same" model. I recently saw one of the 28's sitting between a 12 and a 20 at Gander Mountain. The 28 gauge (apparently Zabala) gun had a nicer wood finish by far. Go figure. One thing I like about these guns is the checkering pattern on the buttstock. It's a bit much but has an "American," even Western, look about it. Don has a point on the trademark ownership of the Elsie name. The good news is that there are some mass-marketed side by sides available now that are hopefully above the class of a Stoeger or Baikal.