Thanks Greg, I'm sorting out my options for puddle duck this fall, and since I have no experience on that front, listening to what others use will hopefully get me in the ball park.

2-piper, thanks anyways. I like the rule of thumb you shared. I'm thinking it works best with pointers that hold while you come up and get ready for the flush. I imagine if you are walking them up without the dog, you might take a different approach. I might start a thread on this topic of things to think about hunting over dogs one might not normally consider while hunting.