Originally Posted By: hspruill
Originally Posted By: AmarilloMike

The American guns do run a little heavier, gauge to gauge, than the English and the European guns. But the standard cartridges do too. Standard load for a US 28 ga is 3/4oz, UK 5/8oz. US 20 ga is 7/8oz, UK 20 is 3/4oz. US 16 ga is 1oz, UK 16 is 7/8oz.
12 gauge 1-1/8oz compared to 1-1/16.

I think the German pre-WWII guns have to be the biggest bargain on the planet in terms of quality per dollar.

Best,

Mike


I think you make a great point regarding the difference in European and American standard loadings. Lighter build guns generally do not hold up as well to heavy loads as heavy actions do. Thus we find shot often/carried little pigeon guns likely built on more robust (heavier) actions than say the shot less/carried more light weight upland guns. I think any build quality consideration should be put in context with the guns intended use.

I knew this question would potentially open a can of worms given the subjective nature of "quality built". Realizing that when we look past the aesthetics, and handling characteristics to the engineering/materials, and attention to detail of fit/finish, I think we can generally touch on more objective points. I'd like to see more points regarding these considerations. As an engineer by trade, I'm attracted to these elements as much as beautiful wood and tasteful engravings.


High quality is not subjective.
If it were, it would be perfectly reasonable for someone to claim that a Rossi coach gun or a 311 or an L.C. Smith are the equal of a Prussian Daly or a Westley Richards or a Holland & Holland.
They are not.
Value for money is subjective but that's not what the OP asked about.
The gun's intended use is also not a factor in quality, using heavy loads in a light English game gun would be nothing short of abuse.
The fact that the lighter gun would eventually "shoot loose" is not an indictment of its quality.