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Just don't take more than you can use.

The original poster said he cleaned and ate them.

I hunt quail, pheasant, and dove pretty frequently. I eat them but I am not a subsistence hunter. I hunt for sport. In your opinion do I have a blood lust? Or is sport hunting only a satisfaction of blood lust when you do it in May?

In your view is a blood lust that leads to hunting a bad thing? So do you condemn sport hunting? How about subsistence hunting?

That's the problem with armchair Biologists. All based on emotions and nothing on facts. Once you get that legislation on protecting the fertile spawning grounds of the Asian Carp in the Missisippi river passed. Come out and give our Arizona Game biologists some lessons on the management of the Eurasian doves. In the meantime I will leave it up to our Fish and Game department. I have been hunting Whitewing and morning dove for 50 years, and do not need a lecture on hunting ethics, or blood lust.

On another note, when is the nesting season here in Arizona? It will be 104 F in Phoenix tomorrow.

I am going to try and dull or burn off the bluing on the barrels of my SXS's shooting Eurasian doves.

[quote=Ghostrider]That's the problem with armchair Biologists. All based on emotions and nothing on facts. Once you get that legislation on protecting the fertile spawning grounds of the Asian Carp in the Missisippi river passed. Come out and give our Arizona Game biologists some lessons on the management of the Eurasian doves. In the meantime I will leave it up to our Fish and Game department. I have been hunting Whitewing and morning dove for 50 years, and do not need a lecture on hunting ethics, or blood lust.
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Now there's a real stretch. But ok, I've obviously lost this argument due to my lack of knowledge on how bad of a pest these are in AZ. Wasn't really judging, just saying. I'm not as big on slaughter as you guys are. Have fun with it.
JR

John,
These birds really have invaded the area heavily. California finally went to statewide year round, unlimited bag on these birds this past season. They had been unlimited bag during regular dove seasons in the Imperial Valley for a number of years. AZ has had a year round, unlimited bag for a good number of years now. The locals in the Yuma area tell me that these birds don't seem to migrate annually. The numbers have risen dramatically in the past 10 years. I think the state biologists are very worried.

The bird is about half again larger than our domestic species of dove. That means they eat more. The great thing is that they have a pink meat and are much better tasting (to me) than morning dove.

They are commonly seen around our town. They must enjoy the city life better because we don't see them on our dove fields during the season.

Slaughter?

I think you are judging us.

Perhaps, with your superior ethics, you can help us see the error of our ways.

I ask again, since I hunt pheasant, quail, and dove frequently do I have blood lust? Or is it only those people that hunt in May that suffer that degenerate condition? What about hunting in the Southern hemisphere where the seasons are reversed? Is it blood lusty to hunt in May in Patagonia? If I hunt quail in December am I suffering from blood lust or is that moral? Do you judge all sport hunters as blood lusters or just those who hunt in Arizona in May.

New question: How many birds could those two Arizonans have taken before it became "slaughter"? Ten? Twenty-five? Fifty? Because I really don't have a clue what the ethical maximum is.

Please enlighten us with your superior moral intellect on these questions so that we may be convinced and not repeat these sins.

Failing that then please provide a detailed rebuttal of the factual arguments presented here - Arizona collared dove breeding season, an ever increasing population of an invasive species bird, etc...

Failing those two options please quit criticizing bird hunting and bird hunters on this board.

Mike
He was saying in his opinion its wrong to kill just about any animal while its tending young....like shooting a doe in spring when it likely has young fawns....shooting a turkey with a brood following...you are not only killing the dove you are leaving a nest full to starve to death....even with vermin that sounds pretty cruel....hard to judge though if they really breed year round in the southern states?? when would you hunt them??.sort of like saying you cant set rat traps because they breed year round....educating the uninformed, is better than fly off the handle....

Rats breed year round. When is it ethical to trap or poison them? What is the kill season for the gophers in the garden?

The US implemented hunting seasons to conserve game in order to have a huntable population. Before that game was hunted year round. The population of this invasive non-game bird is increasing faster than the native mourning or white wing dove, which it may displace.

And John didn't use the phrase "in my opinion" in any of his posts. He stated his position as fact and then used the pejoratives "blood lust" and "slaughter" to describe the people and actions of those who disagree with him.

John is a long time member with many posts. He can answer for himself.