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Excellent example of one of the unofficial mottos of the Democrat Party. It ranks right up there with "Social Justice", "War on Women", "Police are Racist", "Equality of Outcome", "Carbon Dioxide is Causing Climate Change", "Vote-Buying is Righteous", "The Rich have Stolen From the Poor", "White Privilege", "Republicans are Racist, Sexists, Bigots and Homophobes", "Unions are for the Common Man", and countless other examples of Statist, Religious, Unconstitutional, Sociopathic Dogma designed to Demonize and thereby oppres the opponents of Totalitarianism. I can certainly go on if necessary.

You two should try rapping your answers to each other.

Ken61 is...George "ain't nobody more street than Big G" Washington

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King Brown is... William "I'll knock you the F out" Wallace

http://youtu.be/dl7CLaZFG1c

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I knew a guy who gave up drinking, smoking, sex, and rich food. He was perfectly healthy right up to the day he killed himself. Johnny Carson

No... actually King, you are unworthy because you tell so many lies here that you cannot be trusted. Nobody wants to even hear the opinions of a Redistributionist Liberal Left Socialist. Now, in your absurd and degenerate opinion, anyone who wishes to keep the Constitution as it was intended by the Framers is a "pseudo patriot." Only those immature and impatient enough to change it by circumventing the legal process of Amendment additions, by sliding in like minded jurists, can be considered patriotic. Isn't it amazing how many of these like-minded Liberal Left judges flat out lie during their confirmation hearings? Do you want to try telling us that anti-gun and pro-abortion Justices like John Paul Stevens are Conservatives again?

Living document or Silly Putty, eh King?

Who is the "Arizona ayatollah" who made "murderous fatwa"? Or is this just another of your many lies? You do know what a fatwa is, don't you?

Well, your entire life is one of fabrication and exaggeration, so why should this be any different? What a total fraud you are!

Thanks for the doctrinal response. Usually, it's King that can be counted on, but you've certainly covered all the Dogma of the issue. Let's take'em one at a time.

Corporations. Of course they were able to provide "decent" Health Care pre-Obamacare. The main point here is that they should not have had to. Thank FDR for forcing business to provide Health Insurance as a benefit outside of wages. It has been this factor, with people no longer personally involved with the cost of their Health Care that has caused costs to rise. That and the direct government involvement via Medicare and Medicaid. Medical procedures not covered by insurance (Public or Private) have gone down in cost, while those covered have risen. It was easy to sell Obamacare. All it took was pathological lying. I'm sure Bill and Hillary are kicking themselves and saying "Why didn't we think of that?"

Corporate big shots? It is the tax, regulation, and labor markets that primarily drive business costs. We have the highest corporate rate in the world. Of course businesses will operate in the friendliest environment. It's better than going Out of Business.

Didn't you read the earlier post about defined benefits? Did you not understand it? The real reason sociopathic union cultists demonize 401ks is that union leadership is not in control of them. It's only the ignorant that don't understand this. Same principle as Government/Democrat control of Social Security.

The last Market Crashes were due to government involvement, except perhaps for the "Dot.Com" bubble. I suggest reading Friedrich von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom". Another of those books that explains what the Democrats are doing. Has it occurred to you that those CEO's have earned it? After all the crap gone over in this thread, the ability to stay profitable, and therefore "in business" takes talent. Talent remarkable absent from your typical Union Cultist. What possible business of it is yours anyway? Sociopath, much?

Reaction from displaced workers? How about the intellectual realization that it is the Democrat Party that is causing the majority of this destruction. Them and Republican Statists, the one's they are able to convince to join them in order to claim Bipartisanship.

I worked in the automotive indusry for many years and IMO the biggest cause of the decline in this industry can be traced to organized labor primarily in the form on the UAW.
I mentioned briefly the outlandish contractural agreements reached in a earlier post but I'll just cite one example. This was called Layoff in Lieu of Transfer(LLT)** if your position was eliminated and you were for example a Grade 10. You could "bump" into (as I remember it) another Grade 10 position based upon senority. If this wasn't possible you could take a layoff for up to a year at 95% of your salary.
This an a host of other union concessions led to a reluctance on the part of investors to provide funding to update and improve automotive manufacturing which let to declines in quality compared to foreign competition. The assembly lines which were already out of date began to decline further. We had a group at IH whose sole responsiblity was to outsource components as they could be purchased less expensively than the could be built in house and at equal or higher quality.
When a like product can be built elsewhere at a lower cost and with better quality it doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to figure out the end result. When I was at IH engineering management randomly pulled an assembled vehicle out of the recently built and, as I remember it, found over 100 flaws due to shoddy manufacturing.
The Japanese were routinely kicking butt back then and this has increased.
Good paying American jobs in manufacturing are IMO gone for good. The American unionized workers with a lot of help from Unions like the UAW and socialist politicians priced themselves right out of the market.
Jim
**My information is dated and this may not be the case anymore. However; I don't remember the unions ever giving anything substantial back.

I know one of the engineers that assisted in the disassembly and shipment of the East Moline foundry to Mexico. IH (at least I think it was IH) opted to do that rather than reopen it and have to deal with the union. Big surprise.

Ken61:
These were ugly days in the automotive manufacturing community. I got out shortly after this type of activity occured and found it was the case across the board in other industries.
You'll NEVER hear the truth of this from the "mainstream news media" as it much easier to blame "corporate executives" or the banking industry for the decline in American manufacturing.
The fact that these claims are bogus never occurs to most people in this Country and they'll never know the truth about what really happened.
Jim

I was talking to one of the local Garbage Men employed by my City. He was explaining to me that in order for things to be "Fair", he should make the same as President Obama.. Hell, why not think that? He's doing a better job at his work than Obama is at his.

As self servingly stupid as unions might have been, there is more to it than just them.

First corporations signed the deals.

The management made marketing and quality decisions that undercut their product lines

Everyone blamed everyone else and did not intelligently try to actually win the commercial fight.

I am neither a fan of stupid executives or union leaders

Life has taught trust some, but not too much, as Ron Reagan once put (or maybe one of his writers) trust but verify.

Problem with the reasoning is there are many 'corporations' that are 'employee owned', as negotiated by their unions. How come they run themselves into the ground, after all, the negotiated pensions can be based on future earnings of the company.

But, that's just another broken record. Does make one wonder if the contract was negotiated for the worker, or the short term dues collection. When the management and the worker are one in the same, why won't either apply a little intelligence.