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Loomis ads appear quite frequently in the late 1800s Forest and Stream magazines. Here's the other proofmarks on IXL 20. 
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Thanks Daryl,
The cut-off theory for the transition from Birmingham to Belgian guns appears to be holding between IXL models 18 and 20.
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Well, if these are pics of the IXL No 45, it certainly blows the model number relationship to country theory apart.
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Interesting that the IXL No.18 is a Birmingham gun, yet the IXL models 20 and possibly the 45 are Belgian. I wonder if this is significant as far as the model numbers. I'll try to track it from now on.
susjwp,
Which city proofed the No. 9? Was it confirmed to be Birmingham? I assume so since it's a F Williams.
Utah,
The same question for your No. 45
Drew,
Happen to know the English/Birmingham agent for Folsom in the pre-1890 years?
DocDrew's reference to Muller, with the possible connection to the "W Richards" mark, makes me wonder if those guns were made by the same Makers. They also were made in first England and later Belgium, and W Richards, I believe, was a Folsom trade name as well. Or, it was another Birmingham firm initially, but going to Muller when the switch was made.
Anyone happen to have any info and pricing, for a comparison between F A Loomis and W Richards?
Regards
Ken The proof marks on the ixl 9 are Birmingham, provisional and definitive, and the tubes are stamped 14. SN is in the 32xxx range. Sideplates are F. Williams. Water table has Birmingham definitive stamped on the flats. There is a small stamping on the rib just after the latch, pa 8 or h 0 and two ilegible number/ letters. There are also two very deep stampings before the Birmingham, one looks like a crown on top of ? And the other looks like a W. When i figure out how to download from an I-pad i,ll post or send them to somone who is more competent than I to post to this listing.
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Well, if these are pics of the IXL No 45, it certainly blows the model number relationship to country theory apart.
They are the proofs from the IXL 45 I opened this thread with.
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Thanks,
So much for the theory, it's clearly a Birmingham Gun.
Regards
Ken
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Lower 'grade' or numbers made in one country(Belgium) and higher number or 'grade' made in another(England)?
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I "suppose" F A Loomis was in business at least two decades. During that time, or whatever the time period was, he could have changed sources several times. It's hard to have absolutes from the bit of information we see now.
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Lower 'grade' or numbers made in one country(Belgium) and higher number or 'grade' made in another(England)?
I was going the opposite way, with the theory being guns No 18 and lower being English guns, above being Belgian. Your gun confirms my theory was wrong. There's probably no direct relationship for number sequence and country, but I would expect all guns of a specific model number to be made in the same country. At least that's my current theory..
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I "suppose" F A Loomis was in business at least two decades. During that time, or whatever the time period was, he could have changed sources several times. It's hard to have absolutes from the bit of information we see now. Yes, I agree. Joseph Bourne & Co, F Williams, J P Clayborough and others all being English possibilities.
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