The comment regarding some of the old timers teaching the new guys brought to mind a similar situation on my old job. Most of the old timers where I worked were very reluctant to show the new guys how things worked and how to operate the various pumps. Three of us were just out of the navy and about the only difference between a marine plant and a stationary one is very simple. One moves through the water and one does not. A pump is a pump and most must be started a certain way. When the old guys retired the new guys became the old guys. Frank