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I don't think the Jeffery Steve showed matched what Ken was looking for. I suggested the W&S 500, which has a somewhat simpler half moon crescent "notch" in the receiver, which he said was a match.
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Larry,
No, Steve's specific pic was not a match. The W&S 500 pic I found on the internet was, as were some other Jeffrey guns I found. I suspect they're all W&S 500s, I've found quite a few marked with the names of various sellers.
Once Steve provided the name "Jeffrey" I was able to search under that name to solve part of the puzzle. There's not nearly as many pics of the W&S 500 out there as there are of 700s. A combination of Steve providing the Jeffrey name and you providing the W&S 500 info enabled me to "nail it down".
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Larry,
Here's a question for you. The guns I've found with the crescent indented receiver lack the "Screw Grip" of the Webley & Brain 1884 patent. Is it reasonable to still think the guns were made by W&S? Or, would the lack of this feature mean that they were produced by a different Maker? I've seen this (or the lack of the feature) on not only Jeffrey guns, but on guns sold by several other provincial makers/sellers.
Does the lack of the feature exclude W&S? If true, it throws open the issue of who actually made the guns again.
Regards
Ken
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was n't it Leonard? thought they made for jeffrey
franc My fancy back Jeffery like that was made by Leonard.
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was n't it Leonard? thought they made for jeffrey
franc My fancy back Jeffery like that was made by Leonard. How is it marked? How can you tell it was made by Leonard? Are the tubes fluid or pattern-welded? Do you know when it was made? Have any pics? See what you've gotten yourself into! Thanks, Ken
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Fluid barrels,1934, Don't have it anymore.
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Larry,
Here's a question for you. The guns I've found with the crescent indented receiver lack the "Screw Grip" of the Webley & Brain 1884 patent. Is it reasonable to still think the guns were made by W&S? Or, would the lack of this feature mean that they were produced by a different Maker? I've seen this (or the lack of the feature) on not only Jeffrey guns, but on guns sold by several other provincial makers/sellers.
Does the lack of the feature exclude W&S? If true, it throws open the issue of who actually made the guns again.
Regards
Ken Ken--Although the 500 was a screw grip gun, I'm not sure you could eliminate W&S because they used a different type of bolting system on the 500. For example, the Reliance or Continental made by W&S also had the same crescent notch in the receiver back. The photo I have of one of those shows a Greener crossbolt lockup. So I think W&S is still in the running. But good point about the 500.
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Great.
Of course, now I have doubts about the gun I've seen being a Model 500. The model 500 was produced from 1925 to 1946. The gun I saw has Damascus barrels. I'm now trying to research the Model 400. What I've found so far points more to this model, although I haven't found a picture of one yet with the crescent indent in the receiver.
I suppose that the next logical step is to compare it with the W&C Scott guns produced at the turn of the century. (post-merger)
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Ken--All the 400 photos I've seen show a straight back receiver. Very popular model, and basically the predecessor of the post-WWII Model 700. However, the photo I have of a Reliance (or Continental) shows the same crescent-notched back as the 500. And it was made from 1900-1935. So I think you're still stuck with W&S as a possible maker for a Damascus gun with that receiver type.
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