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Mike, You must really like geese and horses as well as naked women too! ;-) Actually, that gun has very high quality engraving in terms of an engraver's ability...........but Lord have mercy, is that gawdy or what!!?? Due to the nature of the theme, it would clearly detract from the value of the piece despite the exceptional quality of the engraving, at least for me.

Jay, some people refer to it as if it were chiseled in stone. The 1925 British Rules of Proof included only chamber length and shot charge, nothing reference pressure. There was already a call for change to those rules prior to WWII--because of the recognition that all 1 1/8 oz loads were not equal, and that was not reflected in what was marked on the barrel flats. (The Brits didn't get around to changing the rules until 1954, when they started using the "tons" designations for service pressure.) So in that sense, the rule has been out the window for a long time, even in the UK. It's a useful benchmark IF your load doesn't significantly exceed the loads available 100 years ago in terms of either velocity or pressure. However, especially for those of us on this side of the pond--where the common belief seems to be that faster is always better, and our pressure standards are also different from the CIP norms--we've pretty much thrown that baby out with the bathwater.

You know, if you can convince a girl to actually hang around with you, why would you need or want that engraving?

Agreed, great talent, but, just like the big gun with all the dinosaurs engraved on it, it does nothing for me.

How 'bout you, Pete?

Best,
Ted

I like girls and gun engraving porn, even though I am not willing to pay for it. However, we are getting away from the "light gun" conversation. Any serious gun collector owns heavy guns and light guns. It is up to him to learn how to shoot both well. Those who criticize light guns or heavy guns just don't know how to shoot a shotgun. Yup, they have not paid their dues on the clay target courses. Get out there and shoot and the weight of the gun will not make any difference. How hard a target is a pheasant??

Well said. Shooting a lot, not talking about shooting a lot, is where the dues are paid to learn to handle all weights of shotguns. Muscle memory is an amazing thing, but it must be programmed by much repetition. After that, just a few shots with a gun that is light years different than the one just used will recall that muscle memory. When I compete with my 31 1/2" MX8 12 gauge in a Prelim course, I have to switch to a 20 gauge 30" 687 SPII Sporting for sub gauge. Compared to the P gun it is a "feather". A few rounds through it on a warm-up five stand and I'm good to go. Nothing special about me. Anybody willing to burn enough ammo can do the same.

SRH

You got that right, Stan, sho' got that right...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBmtaFq0kvQ
JR

Stan, I don't believe that to be true at all, otherwise the world would be crawling with Digweed class shooters-and, it isn't.
Perhaps the "nothing special" part of you is that you've never had a severe injury to an extremity, are not left handed, are not cross eye dominant, or don't suffer from a host of maladys that reduce one's flexability. There was a very successful lady shooter (Carola Mandel?) from the 1960s that shot on the men's live pigeon circuit-with the gun (an O/U) mounted between her breasts, instead of on her shoulder. I've no doubt she burned a bunch of ammunition, tried a bunch of different guns, and she discovered that the conventional style of shooting wasn't going to work for her. Should she have kept burning ammunition, in the conventional style, or tried something different?
Her scores and success suggest she figured out exactly what to do.
Saying anybody can do it, if they just keep practicing, is a bunch a happy-speak crap. There are guys that can't shoot a light gun. And, guys (or women) who will struggle with a heavy gun. Or a double. Or, an O/U.
Burning ammunition won't change it, either.


Best,
Ted

A person with cross-eye dominance would have that problem whether shooting a light or a heavy gun. I think it is obvious that Stan was speaking of a person without severe physical handicap, like a missing arm or hand or leg or shooting in a back brace.

Saying that there are guys that can't shoot a light gun well is not the same as saying that light guns can't be shot well.

I have no doubt that a person without serious physical handicap could shoot a couple hundred rounds (5000 targets) of low gun skeet with one of my 5-1/2 pound small bore guns, 3" of drop, and work up to shooting 25 straight now and then.

Saying that practice doesn't generally improve performance is just wrong, whether we are talking about golf, tennis, hockey, piano, darts or shooting targets with heavy guns or shooting birds with light guns or vice versa. I didn't see where Stan argued that practice would turn anybody into a George Digweed caliber of shooter nor did I see where he claimed to be in Digweed's class.

You are wrong, on several counts. I suffer severe cross eye dominance. A heavier gun smoothes out my swing when I am "winking" my dominant eye closed. I have one more thing to think about at the moment of the shot, and your attention is exactly like your money-you only have so much of it to spend.
I've tried the sticky circles on the shooting lens, and all the other tricks. For me, winking is the only shot I've got.
The heavier gun helps, dramatically. Wish it weren't so, but, it is. I freely admit it might not be the case for someone else, however.
I don't see where anyone said it was impossible to shoot a light gun well, but, that is was tougher. For myself, I can get a lot further practicing with a heavier gun that fits me, in a lot less time, and for a lot less money, than I would with your 3" drop lightweight.
A few people might as well throw your gun at a target, as shoot it. It is far from as simple as anyone can do it, with enough practice.
Put me in that group, by the way.
Practice, for the sake of practice, helps little to nothing if your form is wrong.
It can actually be counter productive, if your form is far enough off.
I didn't imply anyone here was Digweed. I pointed out if it was as simple as more practice, nothing else considered, there would be more just like him.
But, there aren't. At least two guys said it was just as simple as more practice, nothing else considered. I call BS on that.
I don't know for sure, but, I'd be willing to bet George Digweeds gun's are heavier than what we are used to shooting.

I'd bet that isn't an accident, either.

Best,
Ted

No, it is not. If you already know how to shoot it just takes a little practice. If you don't know how to shoot then yes, you are going to have a hard time with a light gun. And you are going to have a hard time with a heavy gun too.

I am surprised that you didn't abandon your ill conceived argument against practicing in sports. Professional football players practice, professional basketball players practice, professional baseball players practice, professional soccer players practice, professional golfers practice, professional tennis players practice, top amateur ATA trap shooters practice, Olympic trap shooters practice, Olympic skeet shooters practice. That practice is known to make one better at one's chosen sport is a well known, well documented fact. Now practice won't make me into George Digweed but it would enable you able to shoot light guns well, especially if you have learned to shoot heavier guns well.

I also have a cross eye dominance problem. My solution is to put my forend thumb up so my left eye can't see the bead or the end of the barrels. I discovered both the problem and solution while practicing by-the-way.

No doubt it is easier to shoot a heavier gun at trap, skeet, and sporting clays, especially if you are pre-mounting. But, with a little practice, someone that already knows how to shoot can learn to shoot light guns very effectively on birds.

And since I am sport hunting it makes me little difference if I shoot 16 shells for 13 birds or 13 shells for 13 birds. Or 20 shells for 10 birds or 15 shells for 10 birds. But if you are set on efficiency you might just buy a broiler at the supermarket and then go home and make chicken and dumplings instead of going out to the gun club and practicing. Much more practical and efficient.

But your statement that it is "Tough to shoot guns that come in that light" is wrong.

And you wife is a real beauty. Thanks for posting the pictures.