I have a Greener Empire 12b, 30" barrels, 3" chambers, full and full, which I bought from Macdonalds in Oz.

Also a Jeffery 12b BLE shot and ball gun, 32" barrels, 3 1/4" chambers, sideclips. It has folding leaf sights for 50 and 100 yards for slugs.

Both are fine for waterfowl but I wish a previous owner had not opened up the chokes on the Jeffery to 1/4.

And I wish nontox were cheaper. I finally bought a modern CZ USA hammergun to use with steel.