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I suppose it's possible to split hairs, but a book I have entitled "Les Armes de Chasses a Canon Lisse" (Smooth Bore Hunting Guns) states that there are 3 types of stock currently being made: Pistol, semi-pistol, and English or straight. I'd describe that one as "une crosse droite (ou anglaise)",spelling and pronunciation relatively simple if you speak French. Looking through the Darne material I have, both from Bruchet and a former American importer doing business as The Drumming Stump with which Ted is quite familiar  seem to list only two stock options: Crosse anglaise ou demi-pistolet. Good try, Larry, but, you are wrong. When I printed my catalogs, I didn't put the option of "Galwi", the stock with the gentle bend in it, simply because I doubted any Americans would buy it. Same with cheekpiece stocks, or "devant enveloppant", a beavertail, you could have got one from me, if you asked, but, nobody ever did. I did catalog 24 gauge and .410 bore shotguns, nobody bought any of those, either. The correct pronunciation is "Galbi" in either France or Belgium-a few Americans ordered that type of stock on early Superposed models. I've seen them called "perch bellies", but, that just seems so unrefined. Here is a picture of it on my R10, even though your book says it doesn't exist. Pretty nice wood for an R10, no?  Best, Ted
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Ted, I've been aware of perch bellies for a very long time. Fairly common on Italian sxs, for example. And while it's clear that's a different type of STOCK, I don't see that it's a different type of GRIP. Top and bottom lines through the wrist look pretty much parallel to me. So . . . what you have is a straight grip on a perch belly stock.
And while you have to toss out rules of French pronunciation when it comes to proper names, I've never heard of anything with a w being pronounced as if it were a b.
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Vouzelaud confirmed that this 315EGL listed on their website is a sideplated boxlock. 315EGL Older VC boxlocks like the one in my earlier post were A&D boxlocks. The newer VCs use an entirely different action with a four-lump lockup. Dover, I think you got lost in the shuffle between Vouzelaud and Verney-Carron. The gun in your earlier post was a Vouzelaud. The 4 lump lockup is Verney-Carron . . . unless Vouzelaud is also using a 4-lump lockup. Sorry for the confusion, Larry. I was referring to the picture I posted of the V-C with the two screws on the bottom plate. That V-C was a 1950s sideplated Anson & Deeley body action (did I get that right, Raimey?), unlike the 4-lump action V-C is selling today.
Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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Back to your first question, I don't think anybody in France had anything to do with that Britte. So that's a Belgium built gun. That too is a lot of gun for the money. Maybe not only the French but also the Belgium built guns are real sleepers. Over here at least.
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I humbly think you got it wrong on both count Ted (even though you got me going in the right direction),
it is "galbee" with an accent aigu on the first e.
I's an adjective not a person's name and is pronounced sort of "galbay".
"crosse galbe'e"
Check your dictionnary.
Best regards
WC-
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I humbly think you got it wrong on both count Ted (even though you got me going in the right direction),
it is "galbee" with an accent aigu on the first e.
I's an adjective not a person's name and is pronounced sort of "galbay".
"crosse galbe'e"
Check your dictionnary.
Best regards
WC- Was pronounced that way, and spelled out to me, by Paul Bruchet. Confirmed by Wes Gilpin. Never had any reason to doubt either of them. As to Larry thinking it isn't much different than a straight stock, I can pretty much assure you if an American orders a straight stock, and you give him what is on my R10, you will be restocking, or, giving him his money back. Americans seem to like their straight stocks straight as an arrow. I like it, but, it is way more popular in Europe, than here. Best, Ted
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Here is a page from a 1922 Verney-Carron catalog. It would appear that the galbi/galbee stock (avec cheekpiece) has been popular in France for a long time (note the reference to it winning a French prize for design). 
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Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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I humbly think you got it wrong on both count Ted (even though you got me going in the right direction),
it is "galbee" with an accent aigu on the first e.
I's an adjective not a person's name and is pronounced sort of "galbay".
"crosse galbe'e"
Check your dictionnary.
Best regards
WC- My Larousse agrees. Had never heard the term before. Of course when one considers the names we give to stocks, one quickly realizes that they're derived from the grip, not the rest of the wood. For example, you can have a straight stock with a cheekpiece. You mention the cheekpiece if you're describing the gun, but it's still a straight stock because of the nature of the grip. I've seen a fair number of Bernardellis with a perch belly. Don't know for sure whether they were all made that way if they had a straight grip, but I don't know that it bothered American buyers all that much.
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It's a box lock. Typical Vouzelaud. Ornamental side plates with faux pins and tumbler axles. Well done, very high quality, but it's a BLE. To get back to that gun . . . called the dealer and agreed on a price. Just picked it up yesterday. It is definitely a sidelock, but somewhat of a mystery gun. Original proofs are pretty obscure (other than the perron on the water table) but they're Belgian rather than French. The only French proofmark I can find on the gun is a crown over R--the open-style crown you see along with the standard PT French proofmark. Indicates reproof since 1960. But the gun is clearly marked "Vouzelaud" on the water table. I'm guessing it's a gun Vouzelaud either had made for them in Belgium, or else one they subsequently acquired and did a first class job of refurbishing.
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I have a nice pair of 7 pin side locked best guns made my August Chapu and retailed out of Vouzelund Gunshop.
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