Thanks, I am not discouraged but do think I want to try it with a gude and his dogs.
I enjoyed the 2 trips to Phillips Wisconsin area but want the New England experience.
I went to Kansas and 7 of us got 35 Pheasants but I would trade that for a couple grouse and woodcock. I guess the challenge that these 2 birds show is a big part of it. I think I need a guide with a dog that gets off the logging roads a little more and allows me to be on the road more. I will look at the lodges etc. that you have recommended. I intend to fly either to Boston and drive or Portland or Bangor, if I am to hunt in Maine. I am also open to NH if the right guide/sitation is available.