Larry; I can see where electricity might work on an old dog that knows it is supposed to 'give' and won't do it. But shocking a young dog that won't give up a bird and doesn't know the command 'give' might be one of the worst things the handler can do. It might lead to all sorts of problems making the dog afraid of birds just to mention one thing. It could even lead to 'blinking' birds which next to gun shyness is about the worst fault a bird dog can have. Handlers must respect electricity. It can be a great tool when used correctly but in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are doing, or in the hands of the short-tempered, impatient handler, a young dog can be ruined in an instant.