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Haha nice one Legg! Its the truth. Some leave the factory with the long barrels, others leave with short ones.

Jim, as my daddy used to ask - Are you braggin or complaining?

Is this where the concept of the .22 long and the .22 short comes from?

Alright, I'm a big boy, I'll play. I agree that ignorance or apathy regarding politics is anethema to the gun owner. I however, suffer from neither malady, and as a Democratic gun owner, I do have an advantage in that I firmly believe in the 2nd Amendment, but I don't have to suffer from "barrel envy." Kidding aside, although I used to be a Republican, I'm simply not willing anymore to hitch my wagon to a party that, aside from the RKBA, doesn't have my best interests at heart, as is also my right. I am of the opinion that a few reasonable precautions regarding gun ownership might not only help save lives, as in the case of VA Tech, but would also help in the p.r. battle gun owners have with the non-gun public by showing them that we care as much about public safety and personal responsibility regarding gun ownership as we do about the 2nd Amendment. How is that not a good thing?


Realize this: The VAST majority of Democrats aren't about taking away guns. I don't personally know a single Democrat that wants that to happen. Far too many Dems own guns as your original post shows, and it's a losing issue for the Democratic party anyway. The prevailing NRA view that all our guns are going to be taken away because Dems want background checks or other precautions is blatant fearmongering at best, and is far out of the mainstream as well. Are there elements in the Democratic party that do want to take away black weapons? Yes. But they are the fringe, and I simply don't believe there is the political momentum for that, nor do I believe mainstream America will let it happen. If you think the above statement is either ignorant or apathetic, or both, that would be your perogative, but it would also be your mistake.

It's time to put American Rifleman down for a minute, take a deep breath, and realize that our shared interests are a source of unity, not division. In today's heated political climate, I for one welcome that. Do you?

Marklart: We've been compromising with the bastards for years. Where has it gotten us? What additional 'reasonable precautions' for gun ownership would enhance public safety? They already have their background checks. How much more illegal can you make mass murder?

The Dems are using incrementalism to acheive their ultimate goal of an outright gun ban and confiscation.

The latest idiot used automatic pistols. A skilled operator of a double shotgun could have caused just as much destruction.

THEY want them all. Don't delude yourself.

I understand your point, but I have to disagree. What additional 'reasonable precautions' for gun ownership would enhance public safety? How about not selling guns to mentally ill people? There should be a system in place to keep that from happening. No reasonable person can deny that.

"The Dems" don't want them all. You can't paint people with that broad of a brush. As I stated before, there are MILLIONS of Dem gun owners and hunters that won't allow "them all" to be taken. It's just not a credible supposition, and it's not politically feasible in my opinion. Lots of Dem politicians own guns as the original post showed, don't forget. They don't want them taken away any more than you or I. Be vigilant, yes. Paranoid, no. America is still a representative Democracy. Let's treat it like one.

Is state and local variance on gun control rescinded if Supreme Court overturns Capitol prohibition on handguns?

King: The argument is whether or not the 2nd amendment is an individual or collective right. The DC handgun ban was overturned by the DC appeals court based on that court's opinion that it is indeed an individual right. If the Supreme's agree, it will effect many existing laws.

Marklart: The Democratic side of the Senate floor reads like a Who's Who of gun control. Those are the folks your moderate buddies have put in DC to enact legislation for us. What the Democrat at large may believe in is meaningless, it what his elected representatives do that matters.

It's a shame that we must choose which part of the Constitution we want to see nibbled away at each time we enter the voting booth, since neither side of the asile seems to have any respect for the limitations on government imposed by that document.

I'm certainly not going to sit her and try to tell anyone, let alone a democrat tht the republicans are looking out for the little guy, but you really have to have drunk the kool-aid to believe that the dems care one iota more. Both sides pander to their extreme base. Period.

I don't believe that every democrat is salivating at the thought of taking my guns away. I also don't believe that they have any more control over their "elected officials" than they did over the Va Tech killer. And I absolutely do believe that most will stand idly by while the restrictions happen.

Incidentally there is a system in place. It's called a background check. The mentally ill aren't on the database because somewhere along the line it was decided that it was violation of a mentally ill persons rights to actually let the community know that they were/are dangerous. Until they commit a criminal act they don't come up. I'm thinking really hard on this but I'm pretty sure most of that sort of thinking comes from a certain portion of the political spectrum. What would be the result if all the money that's going to be spent on the fight to control firearms was spent on enforcing the existing laws? Gosh, the system might work. Too bad there's not as much press in enforcing the law as there is in "doing something" by making new ones, regardless of how meaningless.

Funny though, we who simply recognize that there exists a vocal and active group who, by charter, intend to infringe on our rights and we're paranoid. Yet those who would do the infringing are deserving of reasonable discourse. You must live in some sort of utopia Marklart. I however, live in world where some loony may just start shooting up a school/mall/company picnic. I intend to be ready. But hey, that's just me being paranoid.

AND NEVER; NEVER; FORGET, The 2nd Ammendment is not about the right to own a Hunting Gun. Once all those actually protected by the 2nd are outlawed (Right to Keep & "BEAR" Arms) what chance to those unprotected ones stand (Sporting etc). You'd best believe that Teddy, Chucky, Nancy, Hillary etal understand this. Hmmn; looks like everyone in that group are Dems.